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Old 08-25-2019, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The Nutty Ninth strikes again.
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Old 08-25-2019, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Although I sympathize with the issues facing transgenders, tax payers should not be forced to pay for their surgeries.
I was just about to post the same.
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Old 08-25-2019, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Texas
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If people want to change their gender, fine, but the taxpayer shouldn't be required to fund it. It should be considered an elective surgery for prisoners.
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Old 08-25-2019, 06:35 PM
 
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If people want to change their gender, fine, but the taxpayer shouldn't be required to fund it. It should be considered an elective surgery for prisoners.
Absolutely.

But, I do feel bad about their situation and the unreasonable hostility aimed at them.
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Old 08-25-2019, 10:01 PM
 
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I dont understand why the taxpayers are on the hook for this...if this guy wants a sex change and is in prison, thats fine, let him apply for a loan to pay for it and if he is approved, so be it, he can then have it done, why is he entitled to an operation like this all because he is a prisoner?


If they will pay for sex change operation, whats to stop other people from demanding plastic surgery for themselves? Its similar, people that want plastic surgery do not feel like 'themselves', they want to have something changed or altered to make them feel better about themselves. It sounds like the same thing to me.
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Old 08-25-2019, 10:28 PM
 
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Cannot be sure, but think this happened before in California. State responded by simply paroling inmate in question, thus reliving them of any further obligations to provide medical care.

Thing is even if released Idaho might still be on the hook regardless. They did join Medicaid expansion created under Obamacare, and that scheme now pays for gender reassignment proceedures/treatments if deemed medically necessary. If this person qualifies for Medicaid in Idaho they could travel to another state and have the procedure done their on Medicaid dime. Here in New York they are coming from all over the country.
But sex reassignment surgery is not medically necessary because itís a failure. You canít really become a person of the opposite sex. You just have more tools to impersonate the other sex, but itís outward appearances only. The suicide rate for people who had operations even in countries like Sweden, who are very trans-friendly, has a 20% higher rate of suicide than other comparable peers.
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Old 08-25-2019, 10:32 PM
 
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But sex reassignment surgery is not medically necessary because itís a failure. You canít really become a person of the opposite sex. You just have more tools to impersonate the other sex, but itís outward appearances only. The suicide rate for people who had operations even in countries like Sweden, who are very trans-friendly, has a 20% higher rate of suicide than other comparable peers.
My GUESS that even in a country like Sweden, they are still ostracized and have family issues.

I'd like to know how they rate compares with trans people who have not had surgery.
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Old 08-25-2019, 10:40 PM
 
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But sex reassignment surgery is not medically necessary because itís a failure. You canít really become a person of the opposite sex. You just have more tools to impersonate the other sex, but itís outward appearances only. The suicide rate for people who had operations even in countries like Sweden, who are very trans-friendly, has a 20% higher rate of suicide than other comparable peers.
Understand what you are saying, and agree with most comments in thread; but apparently none of this is here nor there far as case law in concerned.

By USC, federal and local laws, along with court rulings inmates in jails or prisons are entitled to same healthcare as anyone else. Fact they are in state or federal custody means either of those governments are responsible for providing medical care deemed necessary by a qualified physician.

Trans it only the latest outrage, but there is a long list. Everything from organ transplants on down.

https://www.scu.edu/ethics/focus-are...n-transplants/
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Old 08-25-2019, 10:49 PM
 
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Understand what you are saying, and agree with most comments in thread; but apparently none of this is here nor there far as case law in concerned.

By USC, federal and local laws, along with court rulings inmates in jails or prisons are entitled to same healthcare as anyone else. Fact they are in state or federal custody means either of those governments are responsible for providing medical care deemed necessary by a qualified physician.

Trans it only the latest outrage, but there is a long list. Everything from organ transplants on down.

https://www.scu.edu/ethics/focus-are...n-transplants/
Different type of "organ".

No trans person is going to die because they didn't get gender reassignment surgery.
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Old Yesterday, 05:44 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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A decision by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals agreed with a federal judge, who had ruled last year that denying the surgery for inmate Adree Edmo violated the constitution because it amounted to cruel and unusual punishment.

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...court-transgen
How is not having this elective reconstructive surgery, going to shorten this persons life and health?


If it was life threatening, by all means. But, mentally ill people demanding the State pay for their illness?
How about an Insane Asylum?
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