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Old Yesterday, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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No. Welcome to the US of Denmark.
Both Trump and Bernie misrepresent the Nordic Model:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffrey.../#1cde754d74ad
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Old Yesterday, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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In case you haven't read history, America hasn't been so "great" in a lot of areas.
“ Great” is a subjective term.

The US was never “ great” for most people, most of the time.

“ All men are created equal” primarily applied to white men.

Neither women or males of color had the right to own property or vote. Black slaves were counted as fractional humans in terms of populations.
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Old Yesterday, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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America: Enjoy your capitalism
Millennials & Gen Z: But I can't afford anything
America: Enjoy. Your. Capitalism.
Millennials & Gen Z: Well this blows.
America: Why are young Americans not supporting capitalism?
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Old Yesterday, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Ironically, socialism also instigates genocide, as the overburden population birthrate drops. Already in Europe the growing recipient class is crushing the tax paying class, that has no hope of growing. Population reduction is a slippery slope.

It's no coincidence that non-socialist countries have rising populations.
Socialism will kill you eventually.
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Old Yesterday, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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“ Great” is a subjective term.

The US was never “ great” for most people, most of the time.

“ All men are created equal” primarily applied to white men.

Neither women or males of color had the right to own property or vote. Black slaves were counted as fractional humans in terms of populations.
Ironically, people do have endowed rights, while citizens do not. (Citizens have mandatory civic duties that abrogate endowed rights)

If people presumed that non-whites who were barred from citizenship were at a disadvantage, the law says otherwise. Ditto, for women.
. . .
And women certainly did have the right to own property. What else do you think a marriage is? It's a legal joining of property rights of both adults for the benefit of progeny. What may be confusing was the practice of coverture, transferring property of the marriage to the husband. This was done to preserve the status of the property as private property (absolutely owned by an individual). A woman still had all her dower rights intact, as did the man have his rights to curtesy intact. If the property was held jointly, it would cease being private property (constitutionally protected) and revert to qualified ownership of estate ( a taxable privilege).

Wouldn't you rather have your family's property TAX EXEMPT?

. . .
As to the fractional count (for tax and census purposes), that was applauded by many black leaders. It set the principle that if the slave states gave up slavery, their population count would be shifted upwards, gaining seats in Congress, etc, etc. "Carrot & stick"
. . .
America was and is the greatest country if only for its republican form of government, where all men have Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure, and nothing more without consent of the governed.

For those who consented to be governed, sit down, shut up, pay and obey.
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Old Yesterday, 07:21 AM
 
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Both Trump and Bernie misrepresent the Nordic Model:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffrey.../#1cde754d74ad
Not surprising. I've always said Trump and Bernie were equally stupid, dangerous, misinformed, and misleading. Just different ends of the spectrum, same end of one other non-political spectrum though.
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Old Yesterday, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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America: Enjoy your capitalism
Millennials & Gen Z: But I can't afford anything
America: Enjoy. Your. Capitalism.
Millennials & Gen Z: Well this blows.
America: Why are young Americans not supporting capitalism?
Now that I think about it, the US has marketed itself as some kind of laissez faire economy when it isn’t...virtually every area of life is regulated and interfered with by the state, yet it’s passed off as “the land of the free”. If people think this is what capitalism is, no wonder they’re against it.
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Old Yesterday, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I am a Cuban American so the politics of the older generation were centered around what was going on inside Cuba and not America itself.
Cuban Americans are now into their 3rd. & 4th. generations in America so their political beliefs aren't tied to the island so much.
The younger generation is concerned with healthcare & college education costs as well.
Up to the 80’s, all Cubans were welcome in the US as political refugees. By the 90’s only those Cubans who reached US soil were granted refugee status. Like most waves of immigration, Cubans did not immediately assimilate. They forever changed the culture of the greater Miami area.

Many seemed to embrace Reagan and the anti-Communism thing and did so while taking advantage of public education, food stamps, Medicaid and a tax code favoring low income households, especially those with many mouths to feed.

Had the US and Cuba shared a land border, imagine the number of legal and illegal immigrants would have been substantially larger than it was. There are now more Cubans in detention facilities than at any other time.
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Old Yesterday, 07:29 AM
 
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America: Enjoy your capitalism
Millennials & Gen Z: But I can't afford anything
America: Enjoy. Your. Capitalism.
Millennials & Gen Z: Well this blows.
America: Why are young Americans not supporting capitalism?
Except most Americans are too politically brainwashed to realize that our form of "capitalism" isn't really capitalism anymore.
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Old Yesterday, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Except most Americans are too politically brainwashed to realize that our form of "capitalism" isn't really capitalism anymore.
It’s frustrating as someone advocating for a free market, watching us move further and further from it, and then as things get worse (as expected) the free market takes the blame. It’s insanity. People get sucked in by reputation rather than what actually currently exists. I think that’s part of it.

You know what it’s like? It’s like you have a car, and someone decides they know how to improve it, so they start tinkering around, making modifications, the car starts to have major issues, and they’re like “man, this car sucks”.
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