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Old Yesterday, 07:40 AM
 
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The young generations totally take for granted what has given them their quality of life. They've lost for forest for the trees. Go ahead, try socialism...But make no mistake it will fail here as tragically as it has every single other place it has been tried, including the sleepy "social democracies" of northern Europe; Sweden is a slow growth, sterile nanny state with a law for everything and with an economy smaller than all but 12 U.S. states. But , be my guest...
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Old Yesterday, 07:50 AM
 
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It’s frustrating as someone advocating for a free market, watching us move further and further from it, and then as things get worse (as expected) the free market takes the blame. It’s insanity. People get sucked in by reputation rather than what actually currently exists. I think that’s part of it.

You know what it’s like? It’s like you have a car, and someone decides they know how to improve it, so they start tinkering around, making modifications, the car starts to have major issues, and they’re like “man, this car sucks”.
Yup, its a perfect storm really. Lots of behind the scenes tinkering going on, political blame games and stupidity on top of it, and the age of social media and politicized news has people going to learn about "capitalism" from Steven Colbert.
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Old Yesterday, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Been doing that commute. Its insane.. we made our lives harder than they need to be. Im looking at you Los Angeles..
Relatively long commutes are not uncommon. It impacts those employed in large cities, suburban communities and rural areas.
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Old Yesterday, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Of course people who haven't experienced communism or socialism don't realize how dreadful it is. Their parents and grandparents who lived it wanted nothing to do with it.
We all experience a socialized democracy.

All insurance SOCIALIZES risks.

All taxes SOCIALIZE the cost of government and its initiatives.
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Old Yesterday, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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That leads to a very poor work life balance...increasing stress and poorer health.
So?

No one is entitled to a short commute.

Millions are working from home, more than at any point in history, post the industrial revolution.

Many businesses no longer need or want to incur the cost of sprawling suburban corporate campuses, as they once did.
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Old Yesterday, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Cars aren't needed by everybody there as even he smaller towns are compact and densely built and have mass transit...the population there doesn't complain about 50% income tax because they know it pays for a great safety net...yet they still are very capitalistic and also very environmentally friendly.
As I understand it, the auto registration fee ( tax) is primarily used to fund public roads.
It’s a variation of Pay for Use.

In contrast, the US relies on revolving debt serviced by federal, state, county and municipal taxes, regardless if you own an auto or your use of public roads.

States increasingly have sold tolling rights to third parties, often foreign investors.
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Old Yesterday, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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People on the right are opposed to affordable health care programs, because they fear that too many people will take advantage of them, who are not worthy of them, such as deadbeats and drug addicts.

As they see it, why raise the minimum wage when so many lazy low wage people aren't worth $7.25 an hour.
Denmark and most Nordic countries have no Minimum Wage.
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Old Yesterday, 08:24 AM
 
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Now that I think about it, the US has marketed itself as some kind of laissez faire economy when it isn’t...virtually every area of life is regulated and interfered with by the state, yet it’s passed off as “the land of the free”. If people think this is what capitalism is, no wonder they’re against it.
Virtually every aspect of the country is controlled by Giant Corporations and a handful of very wealthy individuals, when it is passed off on as the land of the free.

That's the true narrative but right wing media has completely distorted where the control really lies, and people on this forum spew it in the form of "the government is responsible for all evils" rhetoric. Yes I know, it's the government who put that wealth into those few peoples hands, in the lovely natural free market, that would never have happened.

There's nothing to love about giant bureaucracies but the vitriol against the government is so disproportionate to that levied against big corps, it makes one wonder what the hell people are even looking at and observing.
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Old Yesterday, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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We all experience a socialized democracy.

All insurance SOCIALIZES risks.

All taxes SOCIALIZE the cost of government and its initiatives.
One is voluntary (or if it’s not, should be), and one is forced. That makes all the difference in the world.
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Old Yesterday, 08:37 AM
 
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Relatively long commutes are not uncommon. It impacts those employed in large cities, suburban communities and rural areas.
True, just sighted L.A., or pretty much most of california and other cities like them. They were designed in such a way that you need a car for almost everything. Add the fact that they lack a decent public transit system (L.A. is improving at least), it leads to the traffic we deal with on a daily basis.

Took a little bit of Urban planning in the past. Opened my eyes to how a city functions.

A good city would have a balance of both rail and car.

Aswell as density with people moving closer to their jobs. A huge sprawling flat city is actually stressful to live in.

Thats also why L.A. is more expensive. Alot of demand to live there but not enough supply and you need to live further out to be able to afford it.

Basically, we screwed ourselves..
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