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Old 08-26-2019, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Silverkris as I stated before I know what true Communism is and it's almost laughable that the right wing in this country thinks that any Dem candidate is even remotely approaching that.
Wanting affordable healthcare & education is "Communist"?

America is a wealthy nation and we can afford things that are vital to us it just depends on priorities.
How much does it cost us to keep a nuclear bomb in a SILO 24/7 but we can't raise the minimum wage or even give basic healthcare to our fellow Americans?
Oh, I agree. "Communism" or "Socialism" has just become a cheap adjective to describe politicians one opposes, in a mindless way.
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Old 08-26-2019, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Of course people who haven't experienced communism or socialism don't realize how dreadful it is. Their parents and grandparents who lived it wanted nothing to do with it.
Yes. But these folks also know what REAL communism or socialism is, and can distinguish between that and when it's just an all-purpose snarl word that has no meaning other than to attack others. The latter is more preevalent in the CD forums.

I have relatives who got their butts kicked during the Cultural Revolution in China. My folks grew in Taiwan, where anti-Communism was the state religion - to an extreme degree, and could see where it was used to also sanction or persecute people who just happened to voice dissent, never mind ideology.
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Old 08-26-2019, 04:55 PM
 
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Of course you are happy - since the debt is being passed onto others who, in future generations, will have to pay the bill with interest.

Free stuff makes most humans happy. So does ice cream.

But it's much harder to stay slim and responsible.
I make no apologies for being happy. I have posted plenty of times here with my frustration that our federal government wastes WAY too much money, and I've consistently voted for people that I thought would try to change this trend.

Thank god for you though, hot air is free, or you would be poor by now.
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Old 08-26-2019, 05:10 PM
 
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Stoned idiots expecting free stuff.
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Old 08-26-2019, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Silverkris as I stated before I know what true Communism is and it's almost laughable that the right wing in this country thinks that any Dem candidate is even remotely approaching that.
Wanting affordable healthcare & education is "Communist"?

America is a wealthy nation and we can afford things that are vital to us it just depends on priorities.
How much does it cost us to keep a nuclear bomb in a SILO 24/7 but we can't raise the minimum wage or even give basic healthcare to our fellow Americans?
People on the right are opposed to affordable health care programs, because they fear that too many people will take advantage of them, who are not worthy of them, such as deadbeats and drug addicts.

As they see it, why raise the minimum wage when so many lazy low wage people aren't worth $7.25 an hour.
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Old 08-26-2019, 07:44 PM
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Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Well, it's all semantics. And also a matter of degree. But to quote from your link:

“The Nordic model is an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security for its citizens, but it is also a successful market economy with much freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish,”

When Bernie calls himself a Democratic Socialist, I think this is what he has in mind. And the young Cuban Americans in the OP story, when it said they embrace socialism, I believe this is what they are referring to. So whatever you call it, this Nordic Model sounds good to me. In fact I have no doubt that the US will eventually move in that direction, the only question being how fast. The knee-jerk reaction by some to any hint of socialism need not be; no one in the US is advocating Venezuelan-style socialism.
No, It's not semantics. "Democratic socialism" and "social democracy" are two entirely different philosophies. One is socialism (collective ownership of the means of production) and the other is not. Semantics=debate over inconsequential differences in language. These are not inconsequential differences here.

How do you know what Sanders 'has in mind?' I can only go by his actual words. And the fact that he is a member, or at least former member, of Democratic Socialists of America. Check their site. They are true socialists, that is they advocate gov't ownership of the means of production. They are not Nordic-style social democrats.
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Old Yesterday, 01:01 AM
 
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We will never be Venezuela or Denmark, thankfully.
It doesn't help that I am 25% Danish on Dad's side and 25% Mexican on Mom's side!
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Old Yesterday, 01:23 AM
 
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Socialism sucks, they'll learn.
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Old Yesterday, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Haiku
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No, It's not semantics. "Democratic socialism" and "social democracy" are two entirely different philosophies. One is socialism (collective ownership of the means of production) and the other is not. Semantics=debate over inconsequential differences in language. These are not inconsequential differences here.

How do you know what Sanders 'has in mind?' I can only go by his actual words. And the fact that he is a member, or at least former member, of Democratic Socialists of America. Check their site. They are true socialists, that is they advocate gov't ownership of the means of production. They are not Nordic-style social democrats.
I was not familiar with DSA so did check their web site. They do not advocate government ownership of means of production, so that is a falsehood. They advocate cooperative ownership, which sounds like employee-owned. But they definitely dislike our current capitalism model.

One thing I noticed is that they dislike globalism, and in that they hold common ground with Trumpism. I found that interesting.

Personally I still favor capitalism but with good oversight.
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Old Yesterday, 02:09 PM
 
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The truth about socialism and capitalism:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmdivrgllf4
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