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Old Yesterday, 08:46 AM
 
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IN USA, Michael Mann v. National Review et al. defamation lawsuit, Mann has filed a “Motion to Dismiss Counterclaims of Counter-Plaintiff Mark Steyn Pursuant to the D.C. Anti-SLAPP Act”. Mann’s motion says: “Steyn’s counterclaims lack any merit whatsoever, and his assertion of these claims in the face of the Court’s previous rulings is yet another manifestation of his disdain for this Court and its processes. … not to mention the stream of invective that he has hurled at this Court … i.e. ”Mann knows he faked the data. Producing it in discovery will expose his scam, so he took the hit on losing the lawsuit he himself filed against Dr. Tim Ball and will have to reimburse Dr. Ball for all legal costs and expenses Ball incurred defending himself against Mann's allegations.

Breaking News: Dr Tim Ball Defeats Michael Mann’s Climate Lawsuit[/quote]

 
Old Yesterday, 09:14 PM
 
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Answer this simple question... IF Dr. Michael Mann did NOT lose the case due to failing to produce the documentation his attorney agreed to provide as agreed in order to get their requested adjournment, then why on earth would he, Dr. Michael Mann, be claiming all over his Twitter and FB page that he has an absolute right of appeal in the decision? Why would he appeal if he didn't lose?





Why would he threaten to appeal if he didn't lose?

The judge dismissed Michael Mann's case due to Michael Mann's delay in producing the court ordered R2 data and computer code. Michael Mann did not comply with that order to produce the data and code so the court granted Tim Ball's attorney's motion to dismiss the case and further ordered Mann's side pay costs. How is this not a loss?

Why would Dr. Michael Mann appeal if he didn't lose? I believe it's a very fair question. Maybe I'm wrong but it sure appears that Dr. Michael Mann is practicing what I generally consider wordsmithing. Wordsmithing is the act of arranging words that are technically correct BUT are intended to deceive about what the truth is.

The truth is Tim Ball did not win on the merits because he was never given an opportunity to defend himself due to Dr. Michael Mann's failure to produce the data and computer code, which IF Dr. Mann's assertion for the original filing of libel were true, would exonerate Dr. Mann had he produced them. I am fairly certain that Canadian law and US law allow for a "truth defense" in a civil libel lawsuit. That, in MY opinion, makes it a win for Dr. Tim Ball.

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Old Today, 12:47 AM
 
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The FACT is Michael Mann has NEVER posted or publicly released his original data and computer code that he used in creating his original hockey stick graph which was used by the IPCC and by many scientists in their attempt to further the CAGW/CACC alarmism cause.
 
Old Today, 05:23 AM
 
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The FACT is Michael Mann has NEVER posted or publicly released his original data and computer code that he used in creating his original hockey stick graph which was used by the IPCC and by many scientists in their attempt to further the CAGW/CACC alarmism cause.
Curious, is it not?

It HAS been reviewed by his peers, who wanted him dismissed.

Science is supposed to be an open discussion of carefully collected data, not an effort to conceal and deceive.

Keep in mind that this article was published in Mann's first year after getting his PhD, so one could excuse his terrible methods and statistical analysis to inexperience.
 
Old Today, 06:37 AM
 
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Answer this simple question... IF Dr. Michael Mann did NOT lose the case due to failing to produce the documentation his attorney agreed to provide as agreed in order to get their requested adjournment, then why on earth would he, Dr. Michael Mann, be claiming all over his Twitter and FB page that he has an absolute right of appeal in the decision? Why would he appeal if he didn't lose?





Why would he threaten to appeal if he didn't lose?

The judge dismissed Michael Mann's case due to Michael Mann's delay in producing the court ordered R2 data and computer code. Michael Mann did not comply with that order to produce the data and code so the court granted Tim Ball's attorney's motion to dismiss the case and further ordered Mann's side pay costs. How is this not a loss?

Why would Dr. Michael Mann appeal if he didn't lose? I believe it's a very fair question. Maybe I'm wrong but it sure appears that Dr. Michael Mann is practicing what I generally consider wordsmithing. Wordsmithing is the act of arranging words that are technically correct BUT are intended to deceive about what the truth is.

The truth is Tim Ball did not win on the merits because he was never given an opportunity to defend himself due to Dr. Michael Mann's failure to produce the data and computer code, which IF Dr. Mann's assertion for the original filing of libel were true, would exonerate Dr. Mann had he produced them. I am fairly certain that Canadian law and US law allow for a "truth defense" in a civil libel lawsuit. That, in MY opinion, makes it a win for Dr. Tim Ball.
This is the wordsmithing dishonest Leftists play. He technically didn't "lose" since the case wasn't heard, it was dismissed for him failing to provide data. In the end he still lost though. The "loser" pays the legal expenses of the winner right? Did Mann pay Ball or not is the only question that needs answering to figure out who the winner was.
 
Old Today, 06:56 AM
 
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If you think I don't understand the data, then point out where the underlying data and rationale are for the Briffa code.

These were among the data that were conveniently lost, prior to the post-climate-gate fallout, FOIA requests and investigations.
somebody said "Briffa" LOL


lets all chant 1 tree in yamal. LOL
 
Old Today, 12:25 PM
 
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Here is what Mann's lawyer wrote when informing him of the court's decision:



 
Old Today, 01:01 PM
 
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i agree with the assessment that Tim could not hurt MMs reputation. that was done by his abuse of data.
 
Old Today, 03:55 PM
 
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Some interesting trends so far in the news coverage of this case.

Note the scarlet absence of any reporting of the story by left-leaning MSM.


Climate skeptic blogs and conservative news platforms have been having a field day.

Watts Up With That | Dr. Tim Ball wins @MichaelEMann lawsuit – Mann "hides the decline" AGAIN
Principia Scientific | Breaking News: Dr Tim Ball Defeats Michael Mann’s Climate Lawsuit
The Gateway Pundit | Hockey Stick Broken! "Scientist" Michael Mann Loses in Court, Forced to Pay Court Costs
Globalnews.ca | Canadian climatologist wins a victory for common sense
Herald Sun | Mann Overboard: Climate Catastophist Loses Court Case
American Thinker | Michael Mann, creator of the infamous global warming 'hockey stick,' loses lawsuit against climate skeptic
Technocracy News | Inventor Of Fraudulent Temperature 'Hockey Stick' Is Humiliated In Canadian Court
Omny FM Danielle Smith | Dr Tim Ball Wins Lawsuit Against Michael Mann
Ice Age Now | Justice has been served – Dr Tim Ball wins court case
Manhattan Contrarian | Michael Mann "Hockey Stick" Update: Now Definitively Established To Be Fraud
Liberty Beacon | Breaking News: Dr Tim Ball Defeats Michael Mann's Climate Lawsuit
MadHouseNews | Dr. Tim Ball Wins Lawsuit Against Greenie Michael Mann
Victory Girls | Michael Mann Whines About Losing Climate 'Hockey Stick' Libel Case
The Conservative Woman | Beginning of the end for climate change hysteria?
Powerline Blog | Michael Mann Refuses to Produce Data, Loses Case


One digital news platform so far is willing to defend Mann's version of the story.

Daily KOS | Tim Ball Pleads For Mercy As An Irrelevant Sick Old Man, Gets It, Declares Victory

There's that, and Mann's own twitter feed, which has been unusually noisy (even by his standards), since the news broke.

Danielle Smith's interview with Tim Ball from yesterday.


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Old Today, 04:31 PM
 
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Some interesting trends so far in the news coverage of this story.
Note the scarlet absence of any reporting of the story by left-leaning MSM.


Climate skeptic blogs and conservative news platforms have been having a field day.

Watts Up With That | Dr. Tim Ball wins @MichaelEMann lawsuit – Mann "hides the decline" AGAIN
Principia Scientific | Breaking News: Dr Tim Ball Defeats Michael Mann’s Climate Lawsuit
The Gateway Pundit | Hockey Stick Broken! "Scientist" Michael Mann Loses in Court, Forced to Pay Court Costs
Globalnews.ca | Canadian climatologist wins a victory for common sense
Herald Sun | Mann Overboard: Climate Catastophist Loses Court Case
American Thinker | Michael Mann, creator of the infamous global warming 'hockey stick,' loses lawsuit against climate skeptic
Technocracy News | Inventor Of Fraudulent Temperature 'Hockey Stick' Is Humiliated In Canadian Court
Omny FM Danielle Smith | Dr Tim Ball Wins Lawsuit Against Michael Mann
Ice Age Now | Justice has been served – Dr Tim Ball wins court case
Manhattan Contrarian | Michael Mann "Hockey Stick" Update: Now Definitively Established To Be Fraud
Liberty Beacon | Breaking News: Dr Tim Ball Defeats Michael Mann’s Climate Lawsuit
MadHouseNews | Dr. Tim Ball Wins Lawsuit Against Greenie Michael Mann
Victory Girls | Michael Mann Whines About Losing Climate ‘Hockey Stick’ Libel Case
The Conservative Woman | Beginning of the end for climate change hysteria?
Powerline Blog | Michael Mann Refuses to Produce Data, Loses Case


One digital news platform so far is willing to defend Mann's version of the story.

Daily KOS | Tim Ball Pleads For Mercy As An Irrelevant Sick Old Man, Gets It, Declares Victory

There's that, and Mann's own twitter feed, which has been unusually noisy (even by his standards), since the news broke.

Danielle Smith - Tim Ball interview from yesterday.

So you just glossed over the post above yours, did you read the comments by the judge. They went to the trouble of posting the actual text, you could at least read it.
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