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Old Yesterday, 01:28 PM
 
Location: SGV
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Originally Posted by whogo View Post
Actually it is government that is pure evil and individuals wh wish to own a business have little choice but to incorporate.
Correct.

I'm not saying people don't self-preserve their own lives. Of course they do.

Any non-violent resistance to the government carried to its logical conclusion results in your death.

Period.

End of discussion.

No room for debate.

Now this doesn't mean the POWs, slaves, peasants (or whatever we want to call ourselves) can't logically acknowledge this paradigm.

That's all I'm doing in here, folks. Just acknowledging the paradigm.

States do not refrain from initiating violence on non-violent individuals based on their level of involuntary interaction with said State. Wherever you go, there the State is.

This too isn't up for debate. Way too many cases where individuals had zero State involvement yet the State chose to violate them.

We don't ask victims to try harder not to be victimized. We ask perps to stop violating innocents.

This too isn't up for debate.
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Old Yesterday, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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For those who don’t understand what a corporation is, a corporation is merely a group of people VOLUNTARILY organized together to provide certain goods and services.

So why are they evil?
Why do corporations exist?

The popes created corporate charters. In fact, only the Roman Catholic Church could grant corporations for about 600 years.

They allowed municipalities and trade guilds such as the Dyer's Guild to incorporate. Yes, there really was a Dyer's Guild. They made dyes for fabrics and pigments for paints and inks. Those were all trade secrets.

We know when non-compete agreements existed because the very first case called "Anonymous" was filed around 1415 and it involved a member of the Dyer's Guild. Unfortunately, pages and documents are missing so we don't know how the Crown Court ruled, but we have a clue from another case.

That case is called "Blacksmiths" or officially Blacksmiths of South Mimms at 2 Leo. 210, 3 Leo. 217 (1587).

South Mimms is a small town near Tottenham (as in the Tottenham Spurs) and the Blacksmith Guild hired a guy as an apprentice and made him sign a non-compete agreement not to work in South Mimms once he completed his training.

The apprentice-turned-journeyman doesn't want to leave South Mimms, so he sets up shop there and the Blacksmith Guild sued him to enforce the non-compete agreement. How did the Court rule?

The judge threw the blacksmiths in jail and the journeyman took over all the blacksmithing in South Mimms.

That's a little harsh, but that's what Crown Courts thought about non-compete agreements.

Anyway, later, kings were given the right to grant corporate charters.

In Colonial America, colonial governors had the right to grant corporate charters, then as the colonies evolved into States, it was the State governors, then the legislatures took over the role of writing the statutes for incorporation.

I mention that, because you obviously haven't studied the history.

If you had, then you'd know that corporations were allowed to do one thing and one thing only.

That means you could produce films, or you could own TV stations, but you could not do both.

Yes, I'm referring to Disney. It wasn't that long ago in the US when Disney would not be allowed to produce films and own TV stations.

There's something else. Corporations were required to do something to benefit the community or the State.

Those two conditions and other conditions and limitations placed upon corporations were removed from the statutes over time so that corporations can do whatever they want.

That's one of several reasons why for the longest time, all publicly-traded corporations incorporated in the State of Delaware.

Corporations aren't necessary for any economy and in your economy, only 3% of all businesses are publicly-traded corporations.

Corporations are known to have conspired to commit crimes or conspired to violate morality and ethics.

Think Volkswagen.
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Old Yesterday, 05:36 PM
 
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Nothing, until people get exploited and natural resources sucked up without regard for anyone else or the regard for the environment, as well as destroying said environment. Hence, any means..
Externalities.

It's simply problematic whenever there are 'externalities' where the actions of an individual or a corporate entity have impacts on others for which they do not pay, or for which they are not compensated.

Interrelated with the free-rider problem:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-rider_problem
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Old Today, 06:48 AM
 
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You haven't quite figured this out yet. You and I are nothing more than simple citizens; we have but one vote, and we have almost no ability to influence the laws of the land or our legislators. Corporations on the other hand, as legitimized through Citizens United, have become Super-Citizens. Unlike individuals they have been granted nearly limitless ability to influence law and legislation to their benefit through corporate dollars. In other words, through corruption.

Should they fall foul of any of the few laws and regulations that are left to constrain them, as another poster pointed out - they have access to legal teams and resources that we as working class serfs can only dream about.
Except that we elect the politicians who make the laws. In essence, we are making the laws through our representatives.

If the politicians we elected don’t do the job, we should fire them. Yet, we don’t.

Somehow that’s corporation’s fault?
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Old Today, 06:58 AM
 
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Well, then, there you have it. Perhaps if the US had a public school system that actually teaches students HOW to think instead of WHAT to think, our population wouldn't be so indoctrinated into a materialistic-centric lifestyle and people would choose to do without the products/services sold by corporations like Apple and Google (includes Android products/services) that exploit cheap foreign labor and lower-paid H-1B workers to line their pockets with huge profits.

Again... the number one culprit: the US public school system.

Yep. Try fighting against that. Everyone would have to accept a lower standard of living and few, if any, are willing to do so.
Shouldn’t the parents teach their children on how to think not the public schools

The parenting in general is an utter failure which is why we have crappy people who vote for crappy politicians who make crappy laws.
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Old Today, 07:10 AM
 
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For those who don’t understand what a corporation is, a corporation is merely a group of people VOLUNTARILY organized together to provide certain goods and services.

So why are they evil?
Always good to see a sinless perfect person pointing out the evils of corporations.......
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Old Today, 07:27 AM
 
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Question is does the corporation puts the customers or stockholders first? Also does the corporation treat their employees decently so they are motivated to provide good customer service? Also if a corporation more often that not provides bad customer service, especially when something goes wrong with the product or service the customers have bought from them, then they are doing wrong, with end result of https://www.forbes.com/sites/shephyk...tomer-service/ . If corporations or companies provide better customer service, then they are blessed with revenue. Too often, corporations think first about stockholders at the expense of customers and employees, which sooner or later it catches up with them in the bottom line.

Another question to think about is what charitable causes does the corporation support with its profits. Too often this is often overlooked in purchases, but such information is available on company websites. Also websites such as https://www.2ndvote.com/company-scores/ gives companies focus on such issues as marriage, abortion, and immigration, which you can view as good or bad depending on which end of the political spectrum you support.
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Old Today, 07:36 AM
 
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Shouldn’t the parents teach their children on how to think not the public schools
Seems we don't need a public school system in the US if what you assert were true.

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The parenting in general is an utter failure which is why we have crappy people who vote for crappy politicians who make crappy laws.
Some are beginning to recognize that... The CA taxpayers fed up with the homeless taking over their cities with biological waste and filth, the Montgomery County, MD taxpayers fed up with the 6th rape in a month committed by illegal aliens most of whom have committed previous felonies and had been deported at least once but released back into the community by the local government which refuses to cooperate with ICE, etc.
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Old Today, 07:54 AM
 
Location: 125 Years Too Late...
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Evil or not, see how long you can go without using goods or services produced by corporations. Start by forgoing your computer/smartphone and go from there. You will eschew pretty much everything you own or use. For the vast majority, they would either again start using goods and services produced by corporations within days, or they would be dead very quickly. That is your choice for the time we live in. If you want to live in an agriculture-artisan society sans big corporations you'll have to travel back several hundred years via a time machine... a time machine presumably produced by a corporation.
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Old Today, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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They’re not evil, but they’re all about making money by any means..
No diff than Sole Proprietorships.

A business that does not profit does not survive.
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