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Old 08-25-2019, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte, FL - Pasadena, People's Republic of Maryland
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The media WILL NOT report on anything positive in regards to President Trump. They will distort and lie when reporting on him and there is nothing that we can do other than to expose their lies just as the OP did with this post.

 
Old 08-25-2019, 06:05 PM
Status: "but it depends on what the definition of "is" is." (set 26 days ago)
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Originally Posted by moneill View Post
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When given a chance to correct, back down from the implication that the white supremacist groups were 'fine people', Trump refused.

The optics were horrible.

A good leader, President, would be able in that case to declare his concern for all parties that were victims of violence, support the love of a statue, and condemn white supremacists. He couldn't do it because he was afraid to lose the alt. right.
Except that there was no such implication. Read post #1...CAREFULLY.

In his highly-regarded book Fear, Bob Woodward writes that Trump did not want to re-litigate what he said at the press conference, because he thought that would make him look weak. It had zero to do with losing the 'alt right' whose numbers a relatively few. Trump does seem to have an obsession about looking weak.

And given that his words were sufficiently clear, there should have been no need for him to revisit. The words are only unclear for those which to be deliberately obtuse, and for their hordes of useful idiot followers.
 
Old 08-25-2019, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Transcript from Real Clear Politics:

“Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

After another question at that press conference, Trump became even more explicit:

“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...of_139815.html

This doesn't jive with the assertion that moneil made above.

If you are a person that talks a lot about Charlottesville, and you've never seen the quote in bold above, you should start to question your sources of news.
 
Old 08-25-2019, 06:32 PM
 
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Can we agree on one thing? The question was not answered "perfectly". The justifications don't hold weight in full context.

https://www.vox.com/2019/4/26/185179...harlottesville

"Unite the Right was explicitly organized and branded as a far-right, racist, and white supremacist event by far-right racist white supremacists. This was clear for months before the march actually occurred. So by casting the rally instead as a sort of spontaneous outpouring from Confederate statue enthusiasts, Trump is rewriting history."
 
Old 08-25-2019, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Unite the Right was organized by a former Obama supporter who was in Occupy Wall Street. He branded his group as 'the right' but he isn't 'the right'.

nobody has any idea how the other neo nazis voted.

How many people on the right were voting Obama a few years ago.
 
Old 08-25-2019, 06:40 PM
 
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If anything Trump was too gracious toward the left. There were less good people on the left. And Trump was too critical of nationalists. Not all nationalists admire the Nazis and they're not all supremacists, more like separatists and paleo-conservatives.
 
Old 08-25-2019, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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What the left hated about Trump's Cville comments is he bashed anti-fa.

If anti-fa had not shown up, there would have been no violence that day and the girl would still be alive.

the left is trying to shift the blame from their group to Trump.
 
Old 08-25-2019, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Washington State
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Both sides wanted to fight and so they did...they both were equally to blame
 
Old 08-25-2019, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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if anti-fa had not shown up with weapons, that girl is still alive.

the neo nazi group had a permit to be there.
 
Old 08-25-2019, 06:59 PM
 
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Both sides wanted to fight and so they did...they both were equally to blame
Which is basically what Trump said! Everyone showed up to rumble.
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