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Old 08-26-2019, 08:45 PM
 
Location: SM
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it be nice if the school just taught the basics again
Yeah, that would be indoctrination.
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Old 08-26-2019, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Online
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School is a sacred place. Let's keep all that crap about Religion and Politics out of it.

Let kids have a peaceful childhood. Most are going to grow up in to disgraceful adults that fight for petty man-made stuff like "your God vs. mine vs. no God" or "Dems vs. Cons." etc.
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Old 08-26-2019, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Rutherfordton,NC
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Think again. Morals are whatever is on the law books since that is the only thing that is enforceable. Anything else is just someone's private idea but has no effect on society. And what is this "soul" thing you speak of?
Um no your parents are the ones who teach you itís wrong to steal, lie, cheat, etc.
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Old 08-26-2019, 11:49 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Morals are taught by your parents if you donít have morals then the blame is on them. Or you donít have a soul.
You forget where morals and integrity come from. Without them, we have rape & pillage.
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Old 08-26-2019, 11:51 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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You mean atheists should be considered moraless because they don't believe in God?
Where did the idea of morals come from, to change societies from rape & pillage, into co mingled diversity??
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Old 08-26-2019, 11:53 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Considering who you are quoting, the answer is probably yes.
Atheist may not be without the teaching and the discipline of Christianity after all.
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Old 08-26-2019, 11:56 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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In a civilized nation education benefits society as a whole and therefore must be paid for collectively. You can't opt out of police and fire, right? You also can't withhold federal taxes because you want to opt out of military protection.

If people were allowed to opt out of public education _and_ not pay, it would be wipe open to abuse. We already have a huge problem with wealth inequality; we don't need to create a big education inequality problem as well.
Before the 16th Amendment we could.
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Old 08-27-2019, 12:47 AM
Status: "Honduras and Guatemala: Capitalism's Venezuela" (set 18 days ago)
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Calling LGBTQs trash? Really?

Is that what this is all about? Why should I believe in the so-called "moral values" stating that LGBTQ are trash? BTW, you might want to pick up a history book or two about dehumaninzing "others". Beyond the most oft-brought-up examples, in 1992, two years before the Rwandan genocide, a Hutu academic Leon Mugesera, called Tutsi's "cockroaches" - and eventually got arrested" (800,000 people died in the genocide).

And that's just one example of how dehumanization of ideas (and the people who hold them, in the xenophobe's mind, there's no difference) lead to such atrocities, and hence why they need calling out.
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Old 08-27-2019, 12:59 AM
 
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Calling LGBTQs trash? Really?

Is that what this is all about? Why should I believe in the so-called "moral values" stating that LGBTQ are trash? BTW, you might want to pick up a history book or two about dehumaninzing "others". Beyond the most oft-brought-up examples, in 1992, two years before the Rwandan genocide, a Hutu academic Leon Mugesera, called Tutsi's "cockroaches" - and eventually got arrested" (800,000 people died in the genocide).

And that's just one example of how dehumanization of ideas (and the people who hold them, in the xenophobe's mind, there's no difference) lead to such atrocities, and hence why they need calling out.
I hate how leftist always do that. If anyone expresses any conservative viewpoint, leftist always make a huge leap and try to associate it with something extreme like genocide or full fledged racism. The go to is usually the Nazis or such but using Rwanda was a break from the usual.
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Old 08-27-2019, 01:08 AM
Status: "Honduras and Guatemala: Capitalism's Venezuela" (set 18 days ago)
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I hate how leftist always do that.
It's not the leftists fault if calling out-groups such severely disparaging names just short or outright calling for their murder encourages people to murder them. The historical record speaks strongly in favor of the "leftist" claim.

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If anyone expresses any conservative viewpoint, leftist always make a huge leap and try to associate it with something extreme like genocide or full fledged racism.
See above. Beyond this, conservatism (of the Edmund Burke type) calls for prudent careful thought about a matter before changing it. True conservatism does not call for even encouraging belittlement of society's out-groups, much less genocide.

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The go to is usually the Nazis or such but using Rwanda was a break from the usual.
Rwanda's genocide dovetails pretty well with Nazi attitudes, methods, and tactics[1] - even if the 1990s massacre weren't as highly organized and systemized as the 1940s one. In the end, it doesn't matter who or what the Nazis or Hutus considered "distastefully inferior". All that matters is that some out-group was considered such, and encouraging belittlement, disparaging, bullying, and hatred against them leads to s**t like this.

[1] A better German analogy to the genocide in organization level, if not scale, is Kristalnacht, when mobs vandalized and ransacked Jewish-owned shops, synagogues, etc. This still counts.
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