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Old 08-26-2019, 09:37 AM
 
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Counter arguments to what? You haven't presented any arguments to counter.

Just name one society that has survived socialism, open borders and uncontrolled immigration.
Just about every other first world developed nation has thrived under what you people wrongly refer to as "socialism". Your own nation included.

Now let's talk about examples you know of that have had both, uncontrolled immigration and open borders, that have failed due to those markers alone.

I'll wait.
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Old 08-26-2019, 09:45 AM
 
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What a ridiculous claim, and even more absurd argument in basing the GDP per capita, given the massive population of China. It’s like claiming diamonds worthless given the amount of surrounding coal.

They have literally converted Wall Street into a Chinese proxy, where American Corporations have sold out America in favor of $$$$.
Of course countries are considered rich and poor based on GDP per capita or average income per person.

Or do you think Nigeria and India are richer than Western European countries with small populations just because they have big populations?

China is far from a rich country. Any serious economist will tell you that a country that has a GDP per capita lower than Mexico is not a rich country.

I am sure you've been Wall Street's biggest supporter. Tell me who the major donors of the people you voted for Congress are. I am sure they are Wall St puppets.
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Old 08-26-2019, 09:47 AM
 
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Counter arguments to what? You haven't presented any arguments to counter.

Just name one society that has survived socialism, open borders and uncontrolled immigration.
Counterarguments to the notion that it is the billionaire class and Wall Street who have waged the war against the working class. You have none.

Of course you couldnt name a society that has created a thriving middle class with destroyed labor unions. Instead you go rambling about "socialism".
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Old 08-26-2019, 09:51 AM
 
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The problem is that no matter what any Democrat does, you will say he or she caves, while any deal Trump makes with the Chinese is bound to be the best deal ever. You know you'll sing Trump's praises if there is a deal with China, just like with Mexico.
No, the reality is, we now see the results of what democrats have long been doing. There is no speculation involved ... the results are in, and they’re ugly.

While the democrats used to engage a stealth agenda, dismissing any linkage to socialism or communism, not any more. We now have daily confessions .... as the party has totally abandoned efforts to appease moderates in favor of hard left wing progressive policy, and the hardliners who feel no need to hide their disdain for America, and their Anti-American agenda of total transformation.

Either you’re in agreement with the agenda, or you are incapable of successful debate with a box of donuts.
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Old 08-26-2019, 09:57 AM
 
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No, the reality is, we now see the results of what democrats have long been doing. There is no speculation involved ... the results are in, and they’re ugly.

While the democrats used to engage a stealth agenda, dismissing any linkage to socialism or communism, not any more. We now have daily confessions .... as the party has totally abandoned efforts to appease moderates in favor of hard left wing progressive policy, and the hardliners who feel no need to hide their disdain for America, and their Anti-American agenda of total transformation.

Either you’re in agreement with the agenda, or you are incapable of successful debate with a box of donuts.
Absurd statement considering that the mainstream Democrats have the same big money donors as the GOP. Wall Street owns the political system and you think the problem is a group with the same donors as the team you root for.
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Old 08-26-2019, 10:05 AM
 
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The Left hates it when things go well for Trump and the country.
No Trump critics hate all the cries of victory when NOTHING is signed sealed and delivered.
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Old 08-26-2019, 11:00 AM
 
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Counterarguments to the notion that it is the billionaire class and Wall Street who have waged the war against the working class. You have none.

Of course you couldnt name a society that has created a thriving middle class with destroyed labor unions. Instead you go rambling about "socialism".
Let’s be specific ... Billionaire Class of GLOBALISTS have indeed waged a war on the American working class. This is absolutely undeniable, but does not include ALL Billionaires or all corporations.

Let’s get even more specific .... their primary allies in this war has been China, and the bought and paid for Democrat party, as well as Republicans with monetary interests tied to those corporations. So now you can piece together the puzzle if you don’t understand what Trump is trying to do, and why he is being attacked by both sides, and why he is suggesting invoking emergency powers to recall these treacherous globalist run corporations who have become best bedmates with the Chi-Coms.

The false narrative being promoted are coming from those same globalists who long ago chose to sell out America and tie their interests to the Chinese, never expecting a Donald Trump to emerge, let alone beat out one of their globalist shill candidates. Never in their wildest nightmares did they ever expect to see a reversal of the trend they assumed was irreversible.... as was admitted to by globalist shill, Obama in his rather infamous little retort “what’s he (Trump) gonna do? Wave a magic wand .... hahaha”? Laugh now, you globalist M.... F.... traitor.

Bill Clinton was probably the Chinese best friend in the White House, as he signed off on massive transfers of technology, with military applications, totally under the radar, as the news was consumed with protein stains on dresses. That’s how that works, ya know .... watch what this hand is doing ... pay no attention to the other hand ... wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Watch the phony sex scandal, and totally miss the traitorous sell out of America to the Chinese.

Of course, the globalists were drooling in delight at the prospect of having another Clinton in the White House, since she had been a direct feed of classified information to the Chi-Coms, via her unsecured private server, during her time as Obama Traitor-In-Cheif’s Secretary of State. They had this game fixed, signed, sealed and delivered. Then, out of nowhere, the “Orange Man” comes in and throws a monkey wrench into the machine.

Since then, it’s been one ridiculously false narrative after another trying to derail globalist enemy #1, Donald Trump. Russia Collusion .... Racism .... Mental Incompetence ... Tax Returns ... Personal Gain designed policy .... blah, blah, blah. All fabricated nonsense, designed to do one thing .... stop Trump from stopping their globalist agenda of transforming China into the new global power, while transforming America into a third world failed state.

This is the core essence of Make America Great Again, and the illustration of Nationalism versus Globalism. If you think you want globalism, then you need to know what globalism looks like. ..... and China is the poster child example. Totalitarian rule over the masses, who are enslaved at literal gunpoint. Manufacturing facilities where they must erect netting around the upper floors of the buildings to catch those who attempt to escape their horrendous conditions by jumping out of windows. Suppression of religious groups ... incarcerating enemies of the state in concentration camps, with live human organ harvesting from those enemy of the state dissidents for sale to the world’s wealthy.

Or, you can choose America, where the factory worker does his 40 hour week, and attends baseball games or goes fishing on Saturdays with his family.

That’s what is at stake ... and when 2020 gets here, you better consider this carefully.
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Old 08-26-2019, 11:03 AM
 
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Absurd statement considering that the mainstream Democrats have the same big money donors as the GOP. Wall Street owns the political system and you think the problem is a group with the same donors as the team you root for.
That’s why I voted for the guy both sides were attacking relentlessly..... seems to me, a smart fella like you should have figured out that one.
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Old 08-26-2019, 01:57 PM
 
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China has long term focus and doesn't have to satisfy a "base"...is more globalist compared to more isolationist America. Can disregard America and will outlast any tariffs. Trump and the white house learning the hard lesson that they cannot control the world economy which is a multifaceted animal that runs on market forces.
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Old 08-26-2019, 02:01 PM
 
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Great news for both countries! I don’t want to see the Chinese people suffer and lose all of their jobs that helped them build a middle class.

At the same time we have to be treated fairly and have a healthy, mutually beneficial relationship, not one sided like it has been.
Lose all of their jobs?! The US market is less and less important to China as other markets replace the US.

Nor has trade been one-sided. The biggest problem are greedy American companies that exploit Chinese workers and then give billions in profits to their investors, managers etc., but not to the US treasury or US workers.
After all, Chinese laws apply to all foreign countries, yet the Germans, the Dutch, the Koreans, the Japanese and others are doing fine regarding their trade with China. Makes you wonder why that is...
Trump's accusations are for the most part simply wrong, maybe they would have been more justified 10 years ago, but not today. Trump is lying whenever he opens his mouth, like the currency manipulation charges that were then refuted by international finance experts.

The accusations have only one goal, hiding the real reasons, namely that the US can't handle China's rise. Washington is desperate to keep China from rising, but they will ultimately fail. No temporary trade hiccup will change that. China surely won't give up what they believe in, i.e. strong state-run companies, a strong state, no democracy, etc. I think the dispute between the two countries will go on for a long time, until the US accepts China's co-dominance of the world.
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