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Old 08-28-2019, 08:57 PM
 
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How will money cool the planet?
Easy. Strong incentives to use clean and green production methods and carbon taxes to provide a disincentive to emit CO2 and methane. And money can fuel R&D into carbon extraction and sequestration projects to start reducing airborne CO2.

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Why are the biggest offenders with their carbon footprints (25x the average American, 500x the average African) the ones wagging their fingers at us?
Maybe if the world was united on climate change (instead of having an idiot in the White House who denies science), a united front could get China and India to change their ways. A big fat carbon tariff on Chinese goods that are coal-sourced would get their attention, if it was uniformly applied by all importers worldwide.


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Again, I have little patience for idiots who are unable to use their God-given critical thinking skills. They'd argue that 1+1=1 if a scientist said he had the evidence that it does. It's mind-numbing and exhaustive.
You have it backwards. The climate change realists have scientists on their side with tons of rigorous published studies that prove that 1+1=2. The climate deniers get on the internet -- because they can't published anywhere else -- to push their Mad Hatter agenda that 1+1=1 because the Red Hat MAGA Queen says so.
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Old 08-29-2019, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Easy. Strong incentives to use clean and green production methods and carbon taxes to provide a disincentive to emit CO2 and methane.
You're a science denier.

Prove beyond any reasonable doubt that what you say will prevent this:

Our pollen-based climatic reconstruction suggests a mean temperature of the warmest month (MTWA) range of 914.5 C during the warmest interval of the last interglacial. The reconstruction from plant macrofossils, representing more local environments, reached MTWA values above 12.5 C in contrast to today's 2.8 C.

https://people.ucsc.edu/~acr/migrate...0al%202008.pdf

Just to make sure we're clear on the concept, 12.5C is 22.5F warmer than present temperatures.

From applications of both correspondence analysis regression and best modern analogue methodologies, we infer July air temperatures of the last interglacial to have been 4 to 5 C warmer than present on eastern Baffin Island, which was warmer than any interval within the Holocene.

https://www.researchgate.net/publica..._Arctic_Canada

Again, to make sure we're clear on the concept, 4.0C - 5.0C is 7.2F - 9.0F.

Palaeo data suggest that Greenland must have been largely ice free during Marine Isotope Stage 11 (MIS-11). The globally averaged MIS-11 sea level is estimated to have reached between 613 m above that of today.

[emphasis mine]

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms16008

Even though the warm Eemian period was a period when the oceans were four to eight meters higher than today, the ice sheet in northwest Greenland was only a few hundred meters lower than the current level, which indicates that the contribution from the Greenland ice sheet was less than half the total sea-level rise during that period, says Dorthe Dahl-Jensen, Professor at the Niels Bohr Institute, University of Copenhagen, and leader of the NEEM-project.

[emphasis mine]

https://www.nbi.ku.dk/english/news/n...e-of-the-past/


Go ahead...we'll wait.
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Old 08-29-2019, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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WOW ! Would you mind sharing where you get your information.
Sure, the United States government, other governments and peer-reviewed scientific articles.

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The earth goes through warming & cooling periods approximately every 100,000 yrs.
Nope, wrong answer.

You are in an Ice Age due to the formation of the Panamanian Isthmus and the presence of the Antarctic Continent within the Antarctic Circle.

You will remain in an Ice Age until the Antarctic Continent exits the Antarctic Circle through the action of plate tectonics.

That will take at least 23 Million years based on a plate movement rate of ~1 cm per year.

Seeing how Antarctica is on a north-easterly trajectory, it will be sitting in the South Atlantic Ocean and there will be no Western Ice Sheet and no Eastern Ice Sheet, since those will have long since melted away and the Antarctic Continent will be snow and ice-free.

That will probably cause your sea level to rise about 100 meters.

Because the sea level has risen, the surface area of the oceans will increase.

Because the surface area of the oceans has increased, the amount of water evaporated into the air will increase.

Because the amount of water evaporated into the air will have increased, Earth will be wetter.

That's how it works.

Had you bothered to study the EPICA Ice Core Data, you'd know there were 8 previous Inter-Glacial Periods recorded, not the five that you claim.

One of the Inter-Glacial Periods ended abruptly after only 8,000 years for reasons unknown.

Prior to the Mid-Pleistocene Event, Inter-Glacials lasted 12,000 to 15,000 years, but afterward as long as 30,000 years, so it's anybody's guess as to when this Inter-Glacial will end.

To the best of my knowledge, no Glacial Period lasted 100,000 years.

That's propaganda and disinformation by people attempting to crow-bar the cycles into the Milankovitch Cycle.

The Milankovitch Cycle has no bearing on Earth's climate.

The shortest cycle is the Precession of the Equinox which takes about ~25,500 years. It plays no role.

The second is the 41,000 year Axial Tilt. At first glance it appears to coincide with the 40,000 year Glacial Periods that happened before the Mid-Pleistocene Event, but that fails.

The cycle matches only up to the point of the Inter-Glacial, and then the 12,000-15,000 year Inter-Glacial skews the cycle from that point on.

The last cycle is Earth's orbital periodicity, which is 100,000 years.

As I said, after the Mid-Pleistocene Event, Glacial Periods started lasting 80,000 to 120,000 years.

80,000 100,000

120,000 100,000

An Inter-Glacial is preferable to a Glacial Period.

During the Little Ice Age four centuries ago, Millions of people died of famine because they couldn't grow food.

In the New England Colonies, the growing season was just 6 weeks. You couldn't plant until the ground thawed around the 1st or 2nd week of July, then you had to harvest whatever you had in the 2nd or 3rd week of August before a frost came and killed your harvest.

You think technology will save you? Better guess again.

US farmers use a non-technological soil test.

They take a 1/2" rebar rod and put one end on the ground and hit the other end with a 5-pound sledgehammer.

If the rebar rod goes into the soil at least 2" you can plow your fields and if not you have to wait another week or two or three or four until the ground thaws.

So much for your technology.

Well, actually, technology will help....it will allow governments to ration food more efficiently.

You'll be hating life and will welcome death, because anything is better than eating oatmeal three times a day.

Pease porridge hot
Pease porridge cold
Pease porridge in the pot
Nine days old
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Old 08-29-2019, 04:31 PM
 
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Why are all the fixes more taxes, and wealth and INCOME redistribution from the people that can least afford it? Yet the elite buy ocean front property on Martha's Vineyard.

Why is more and more Government control always the answer?
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Old 08-29-2019, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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He successfully argued that changes in atmospheric CO2 were responsible for the ice ages and by inference, he predicted warming of the earth's temperatures due to increased CO2 emissions, thereby publishing the first quantitative report on global warming, the greenhouse effect.
He wasn't successful, he failed.

You had two massive glaciations --Snowball Earth-- at a time when CO2 levels were 24,000 ppm CO2.

You had other major glaciations when CO2 levels were 3x-5x higher than now.

And EPICA Ice Core Data refutes his hypothesis:





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Old 08-29-2019, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Planet earth
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BREAKING NEWS!!! This just in! FB and Twitter have a brand new yet insanely viral meme going around which definitively PROVES CAGW/CACC (also known as AGW) is 100% real and cannot be denied. That meme eloquently but accurately states:


"Orange man BAD!"




Back to you Elliott_CA.
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Old 08-29-2019, 07:47 PM
 
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Why are all the fixes more taxes, and wealth and INCOME redistribution from the people that can least afford it? Yet the elite buy ocean front property on Martha's Vineyard.

Why is more and more Government control always the answer?
To make changes obviously isn't free.

Corporations are not gonna do anything, they just want a quick buck.

Tax the elite. Many of them are hypocrites. Listen to the scientists, not Al Gore, as he only piggy backed climate change. Many scientists can care less about him or others that are merely figure heads..

Yes, a famous face can help spread the awareness but doesn't help when they don't practice what they preach. They're just celebs.
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Old 08-29-2019, 08:46 PM
 
Location: New York
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That sounds like a deflection from science, where are we on “next generation “ nuclear energy. Obviously you just don’t want to admit that we need to change our bad habits, we can continue down the path and ignore the overwhelming evidence.

You are a fool! You pull out the science card the way you pull out the racist card. It's absolutely meaningless to anyone with an ounce of sense.

You have been brainwashed into believing there is actually something we can do quickly to change out the 150 years of petroleum-based infrastructure we rely on. You believe that everyone else (not you of course) can go broke fixing it.

The truth is that the entire GDP of the earth couldn't change anything fast enough to stop the effects of the suns cycles.

Before you pull your "holier than thou" BS on me, tell me - what have you done to lower your carbon footprint?

I've cut mine in half over the last decade.

Now go Google your next response. It's obvious you don't think for yourself. THAT is something you won't admit even though it's painfully obvious. You're a shampoo bottle scientist - search, repeat, search, repeat.


I'll hold my breath.


There are so many disingenuous shleps in this joint!
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Old 08-29-2019, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Planet earth
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A shampoo bottle scientist... I gotta remember that one!
Search....... copy/paste...... repeat
Shampoo....... rinse............ repeat


Also, I always thought schlep was the sound made when the Budweiser frogs were snatching a bug with their tongues.

Ahhh the incredible things I learn on CD!
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Old 08-30-2019, 12:33 PM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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...we're talking about 57/10,000th of a degree a year

0.8 degree in 140 years
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