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Old 08-27-2019, 06:22 AM
 
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Climate changes naturally. Even a weatherman should know that.
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Old 08-27-2019, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Tell that fool nobody denies that the climate changes.

As Bugs would say, what a maroon.

Me, I just ask simple questions.

Most times it seems that the warmer(s) to whom I'm posing the questions have never considered what I would think are the first and most fundamental questions to be asked.

For example, at present, to what degree of accuracy can we model current and past surface temperatures and to what degree of certainty can we be sure our speculation matches up to reality?

If the range of accuracy is within 1.71 degrees F, why are we having a conversation about warming that may or not really be happening?

Moreover, if we are claiming to be able to assess past temperatures to such a degree of accuracy, how do we know that we are correct?

If the real range of accuracy were 1.79 degrees F instead of 1.71 degrees F, or some other claimed range of accuracy, how could we know for sure?

Real science is testable.

Real science is measurable.

Real science is falsifiable.

CAGW is pseudoscience.
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Old 08-27-2019, 06:45 AM
 
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Right, and science has completely met that burden through rigorous analysis. The science proving AGW is real is rock solid, with better than 99.999% certainty. What the deniers do is publish spurious theories and cherry-picked data that tries to refute science with fear, uncertainty and doubt.


The deniers aren't refuting science with science. The denier movement is political.



CO2 does not act alone. It enables an increase in water vapor pressure, which is a potent greenhouse gas. It's a feedback mechanism.

https://www.yaleclimateconnections.o...or-feedback-2/
It’s 100% political. They don’t have any scientific studies and credible organizational bodies to back them up. All their talking points come from political groups and online blogs.
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Old 08-27-2019, 06:50 AM
 
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Greg Fishel, respected meteorologist, wrote a rant of Facebook criticizing people who question the science behind climate change, telling them to ďput up or shut up.Ē He says climate deniers are self-appointed "experts" who just post junk on the internet and none of their stuff has ever been published in a peer reviewed atmospheric science or climate journal. He challenges them to do just that.

Read Fishel's post here: PUT UP OR SHUT UP

I agree. If climate deniers have a mechanism that explains how increased CO2 and methane don't heat the Earth, and supply a rigorous proof that Arrhenius was wrong, then let's see it. Get it published.
He believes people in time machines caused climate change going back millions of years.
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Old 08-27-2019, 06:52 AM
 
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Sounds like the guy invested a lot into global warming and it isn't paying out like he hoped... /Fail...
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Old 08-27-2019, 06:53 AM
 
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Itís 100% political. They donít have any scientific studies and credible organizational bodies to back them up. All their talking points come from political groups and online blogs.
The AGW crowd thinks taxes stop climate change.

Nice "science".

Lol
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Old 08-27-2019, 07:02 AM
 
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And then what?
Nothing
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Old 08-27-2019, 07:03 AM
 
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No one is arguing that the climate doesn't change naturally but what is missing from your argument is if man is not the cause then exactly what is causing the warming. Just ignoring the overwhelming evidence for "beliefs" is not a rational argument.


I would say people that deny the research by the IPCC, NASA and world wide scientific organizations are certainly deniers.
When they are ALL caught adjusting data to match their agenda they are ALL frauds.
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Old 08-27-2019, 07:08 AM
 
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He believes people in time machines caused climate change going back millions of years.
We almost depleted the ozone in the stratosphere with chemicals we released into the atmosphere. We fixed the problem after we identified it. We humans are capable of causing massive changes on a global level.

There has been several extinctions in the past from massive release of CO2 and methane into the atmosphere causing runaway climate change. We are pumping CO2 into the atmosphere at extinction level rates today. We know CO2 is a heat trapping gas because you can simulate it in a lab. We know that we humans put that excess CO2 in the atmosphere. We can also see it being absorbed into the ocean and causing acidification.

Your answer is that climate change happened in the past, so letís keep pumping trillions of tons of a heat trapping gas into our atmosphere without worry. Do you hear what your saying?
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Old 08-27-2019, 07:09 AM
 
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It appears Greg Fishel was fired from WRAL due to some sort of mental breakdown.
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