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Old Today, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Unbelievable. The judge’s decision must be overturned. A company makes a medicine that helps a countless number of cancer patients and people with other serious problems with pain. Druggies choose to abuse them. Druggies sue the company and win. America.
Why should it be overturned, look at the distribution and the number of deaths from addiction in many of these states and its hard to fathom that these companies and distributors were after anything but profits. Some cities in WV had enough opioids shipped so that the numbers worked out to a few hundred pills for each resident.
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Old Today, 06:26 AM
 
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Unbelievable. The judge’s decision must be overturned. A company makes a medicine that helps a countless number of cancer patients and people with other serious problems with pain. Druggies choose to abuse them. Druggies sue the company and win. America.
Do you really not know the situation?

These pills were handed out to anyone with a heartbeat - by the BILLIONS - by pill mills in Florida, Ohio and elsewhere. Corrupt doctors.....and corrupt suppliers/manufacturers.

The company has a responsibility to look and say "hmm, 20 million doses to that Wal-Mart in the middle of nowhere...why?".

The other part of the deal is that the Opiate manufacturers spread 1/2 truths saying that the pills were not addictive - that this "fable" was a lie and only a tiny portion get hooked. This is untrue.

Cancer? 90% plus of the people taking these have no disease except sloth. Real pain patients have always had relief available to them. When I wrenched my back in the 1980's the doc gave me Hydro without even blinking. I didn't get addicted, but then again these contained 1/10th the amt of opiate as extended release "cancer" pills.

Modern society is complex. If every car driver that got into an accident died, would you say "Well, that's the fault of the driver"....of course not! The car needs to be made as safe as technology and price allows.

No difference with deadly drugs.

But you have a point about our populace. You could spread opiates in many places where unhappiness and hopelessness is not as rampant as here and you wouldn't have as many people hooked. Maybe that's a "feature" and not a bug. Since the American Dream is largely dead for the middle class, this and Reality TV and video games allows for being entertained whilst many wait to die.
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Old Today, 06:27 AM
 
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J&J has a net worth of 360 BILLION. This settlement, even if ever enforced, is a drop in the bucket to J&J.
This right here is what keeps trial lawyers in business and ridiculous judgements increasing costs of goods.

"It's a big company; it's not a big deal if they have to pay something they won't miss."
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Old Today, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Boston
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You don't know what they handed out. It was common knowledge decades ago that drug companies let truckloads of pills disappear.

Prove it in court! When you start saying "common knowledge" you know it's just speculation or personal opinion.

Where do you think the full time supply of speed pills (truckers) or street (seconal, nebula, etc.) came from for decades? Yep...

Prove it and prosecute.


It's as if you think LE never took any of that money or of those drugs. People are corruptible and can be bought for very low prices.

They should be prosecuted, if not, just more speculation.

The companies have a responsibility to use basic controls (mapping, norms, etc.) too determine if vast numbers of pills are going to the wrong (unpopulated, etc.) places.

Who says .... you? Should they be responsible for where every pill is dispensed?

All of that said, the water is over the dam. The Pill dealers raised their prices (the invisible hand) and the Government cracked down on legal scripts, so the next phase is millions more people getting illegal stuff. This is not the fault of the trial lawyers. All they can do is establish responsibility.

I agree that the billions which will be given up by the likes of CVS, Walmart, JJ, etc. will likely do ZERO to fix things. You can't fix them...that way. Only by semi-legalizing light opiates could you even slightly help the situation. Been to CVS in the past few years and tried to get an opiate prescription filled?

Mark my words. But, again, that's not the fault of the lawsuits. Government simply could not allow the situation to continue - a situation, BTW, which was made worse by Drug Company lobbyists who wrote a bill which changed one single word...that allowed them to get away with it.

(Listen to the recent Fresh Air reporting on it...one word).
seems as though you blame the pharmaceutical companies and the government, everyone but the person taking the pills - lmao. No mention of blame or personal responsibility by those taking the pills. Go figure!
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Old Today, 06:39 AM
 
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We need to ban alcohol as well.

Alcohol producers advertise it as something people can consume responsibly; however, it is a FACT alcohol is highly addictive. It is a FACT servers can't be trusted to not over-serve. It is a FACT people can't be trusted not to over consume.

People die everyday from alcoholism.

Innocent people and children die all the time at the hands of alcoholics.

If opiod producers should be responsible for addiction and deaths, alcohol producers should be just as liable.

But, if we want to save lives and reduce addiction, the responsible thing to do is just ban it.

If you support holding drug companies responsible, you should also hold alcohol companies responsible. The bottom line is if people can't be counted on to do the right thing, we should remove the problem itself.

Ban opiods. Ban alcohol.
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Old Today, 06:40 AM
 
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Why should it be overturned, look at the distribution and the number of deaths from addiction in many of these states and its hard to fathom that these companies and distributors were after anything but profits. Some cities in WV had enough opioids shipped so that the numbers worked out to a few hundred pills for each resident.
Yep. Which os why we should ban opiods and alcohol.
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Old Today, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Haiku
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Unbelievable. The judge’s decision must be overturned. A company makes a medicine that helps a countless number of cancer patients and people with other serious problems with pain. Druggies choose to abuse them. Druggies sue the company and win. America.

I broke my arm in 2005 and they gave me hundreds of Oxy pills. It was crazy the amount they gave me. I kept taking them thinking I wouldn't have a problem but after a couple of weeks I realized what was going on and just quit taking them. I felt like crap for 2-3 days and never touched them again. But it was only because I saw what was going on that I quit. If I had listened to the doc, I probably could have gone for months. And the doc was listening to the pharma sales reps. They need to be held accountable for what they are telling the docs about their products.

So the decision is spot on.
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Old Today, 06:56 AM
 
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I broke my arm in 2005 and they gave me hundreds of Oxy pills. It was crazy the amount they gave me. I kept taking them thinking I wouldn't have a problem but after a couple of weeks I realized what was going on and just quit taking them. I felt like crap for 2-3 days and never touched them again. But it was only because I saw what was going on that I quit. If I had listened to the doc, I probably could have gone for months. And the doc was listening to the pharma sales reps. They need to be held accountable for what they are telling the docs about their products.

So the decision is spot on.
Wait, you're claiming the pharmaceutical companies bypassed the doctor and pharmacist and directly provided you hundreds of pills?

Sorry, but I just don't believe that.
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Old Today, 06:59 AM
 
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Ban them.

If people who are in extreme pain won't be able to get relief, tough ****.
Tell you what...…….go to the oral surgeon and have half the upper part of the roof of your mouth cut off, then try to get some sleep after taking a couple of aspirins...……….get back to me.
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Old Today, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Haiku
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Wait, you're claiming the pharmaceutical companies bypassed the doctor and pharmacist and directly provided you hundreds of pills?

Sorry, but I just don't believe that.
No. Pharma rep tells doctors that when people are in pain they won't get addicted to opioids. So the doctor prescribed them willy nilly to people in pain. But when the pain ends, the patient discovers that he is in fact hooked on the opioid at that point. That is the lie that was pushed by pharma. And they should pay for it.
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