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Old Yesterday, 03:24 PM
 
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It sounds ridiculous to me that a city the size of New York City doesn't have a sizeable gifted black and Hispanic population. Surely they do.
It surely does but not as sizable or as proportionate as the gifted white and Asian population. But that's the fault of nature and evolution and even open borders to Asia and else where, but not left's claims of segregation, white 'racism' or 'privilege', or school funding.
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Old Yesterday, 09:01 PM
 
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Default So NY looks at scrapping gifted program because......

https://nypost.com/2019/08/26/school...fted-programs/

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A school-diversity panel created by Mayor Bill de Blasio wants to junk the gifted-and-talented programs and other forms of academic screening in city schools.

Arguing that such programs perpetuate racial inequality because they’re comprised mostly of white and Asian students
They've been through this before, looking at kicking asians out of magnet schools in favor of other minorities because there are too many of them.

But hey, that's hillarious because:

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But even the panel acknowledged that the proposed sweeping change could induce the widespread flight of those same thriving students from the system — leaving city schools bereft of crucial talent and still not integrated.
And that's the racist pickle to all this. Unless you acknowledge that there are racial differences to athletics and intellect (the very definition of racism), then you have to admit that some people are just not choosing to focus their kids energy in that direction.

I personally believe this is most of the case but we don't (yet) see schools shutting down sports programs for having too few asians do we?
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Old Yesterday, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Yeah, let's not figure out the reason for the inequity and try to correct it - let's just make the whole thing go away by cutting programs, dumbing down tests, etc.

Then when they're out of school and in the work world and they cannot find/keep a decent job.....then what? Should we change the requirements for employment, too?

Oh, wait...
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Old Yesterday, 09:15 PM
 
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I wonder if DeBlasio is also considering getting rid of Special Education programs to achieve parity.

Intellectually gifted children are as in-need of a special curriculum as special education children are.

Cancelling those programs and forcing them to enter into mainstream classrooms is equally as unjust. They merely represent the other end of the spectrum, and similarly will not have their needs met in regular classrooms.
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Old Yesterday, 09:18 PM
 
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This will just lead to more Asian/White flight. Then they will talk about forced busing. Meanwhile, the elite establishment sends their kids to $$$ private schools us common folk cannot afford. Those schools are overwhelmingly White/Asian.
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Old Yesterday, 10:52 PM
 
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Always catering to the lowest common denominator. The new American way!
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Old Yesterday, 11:42 PM
 
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I would rather he scrapped basketball because there are too many blacks and not enough Asians. I like gifted and talented programs that give us our next generations of scientists, engineers, thinkers, etc. I despise basketball as a waste of time, even as far as sports go. If I were 12 feet tall, I could drop a ball through a hoop too.

More Asians in basketball or be done with it as a racist sport. Your choice de Blasio.
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Old Yesterday, 11:58 PM
 
Location: Japan
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Yeah, let's not figure out the reason for the inequity and try to correct it
Inequality is natural and normal. Efforts to "correct" it generally cause more harm than good.
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Old Today, 12:53 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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https://nypost.com/2019/08/26/school...fted-programs/



They've been through this before, looking at kicking asians out of magnet schools in favor of other minorities because there are too many of them.

But hey, that's hillarious because:



And that's the racist pickle to all this. Unless you acknowledge that there are racial differences to athletics and intellect (the very definition of racism), then you have to admit that some people are just not choosing to focus their kids energy in that direction.

I personally believe this is most of the case but we don't (yet) see schools shutting down sports programs for having too few asians do we?
This is another thread where people pretend they dont understand context.

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De Blasio only said of the report Monday, “Every child, regardless of ZIP code, has the right to attend a school where they can thrive.....................When you have over 35% of your students be designated as gifted and talented, we need to bottle the water we’re drinking and ship it all over the place

By no definition is 35% of the population gifted, either the test is to easy, or kids with money are paying previous test takers to coach them, and its clear which one it is.


Never mind the fact that they are simply talking about removing the test and not contracting the program. The Post tries to claim they are contracting the program but there is no evidence to back that up, there is also not a single quote from anyone claiming they are. Its an editorial trick that is blatantly dishonest. And it is easily shown so by reading the hyperlinks embedded in the article where they were forced to quote the commission, De Blasio, DoE and the NY speaker.

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“A single test doesn’t capture the full talent of students, and our plan to eliminate the SHSAT [Specialized High School Admissions Test] will expand opportunity for the highest-performing students in middle schools across the city. The Chancellor is meeting with legislators today to discuss our plan,” said Department of Education spokesman Will Mantell.
If anything, they seem to be arguing to complete the program started in 2014 which was having everyone take higher level classes.

You can disagree with what they are actually doing , but it certainly isnt punishing whites or asians as your article and OP try to claim.
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Old Today, 12:55 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Inequality is natural and normal. Efforts to "correct" it generally cause more harm than good.
It is, but our constitution says we dont treat rich people or white people better than we would poor people or people of color.
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