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Old Yesterday, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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On this point, there are very limited spaces for magnet/specialized schools, and a very limited number of kids who can be accepted -at least in NYC. The city tried to expand by including three new specialized high schools the year my daughter was a freshman. Not sure what eventually happened with them, but kids weren't exactly clamoring to get into the new ones that year. If anyone has info on those other three, I'd be interested in hearing it. I don't even remember what the names were.

So yes, if the city decided to let in a bunch of kids in who had previously not qualified, they would have to remove current students.
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City College tried this in the 70s and it destroyed the academics.

Good academics requires good students. Good schools aren't magical intelligence-increasing machines. They are just selective.
Or, they could simply have each individual school have gifted level classes. Its not that hard to see how you can allow kids in without taking others out.

Or, as was proposed, they simply retool the entrance exam.
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Old Yesterday, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Out West
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This is when people should be using the word "racist", because this is absolutely racism. What De Blasio is saying is that he does not believe that certain races are smart enough for gifted programs, therefore, he wants to do away with them all.

This is the very definition of racism, and people still make excuses for it.

Do these people even listen to themselves?
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Old Yesterday, 10:08 PM
 
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The left will probably tolerate Asians being over achievers. The left will not tolerate white over achievement though, and have successfully placed burdens and obstacles on whites to make them underachievers.

When a non-white group over achieves whites in any endeavor or measure, it's because the non-whites worked hard and earned it, and whites are lazy and irresponsible. And when whites over achieve in an endeavor or measure, it's because whites are "privileged" and discriminated against non-whites.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
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Old Today, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Central NJ and PA
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Or, they could simply have each individual school have gifted level classes. Its not that hard to see how you can allow kids in without taking others out.

Or, as was proposed, they simply retool the entrance exam.
Ah. Got it.

When I responded to your post, I was thinking about the specialized high schools, not the elementary schools with the gifted classes. Yes, there's no reason each school can't have a gifted class, and there would be no need to bump anyone out. The specialized high schools are made up entirely of "gifted" kids, so that's a different story.
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Old Today, 03:36 PM
 
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I cant speak for New York, or how their system works overall, only what these articles from more informed people say. Its clear from De Blasio's committee that more than free practice tests are being used as they are actually talking to people who previously took and passed the test as well as those who took it and failed.

As for my own personal story to put a point on this. I was recognized by a teacher in Head Start(pre k) as being gifted. Met with a specialist, took like 3 test, and when I started Kindergarten, I was in the program.

I did all the things you are talking about and I assure you most weren't free. My parents probably shelled out thousands of dollars to make sure I was able to stay in those GEP classes. After my freshmen year in high school, I dropped the program myself. I saw no need for me or my parents to pay for AP exams or classes(those were the only classes in the program), They had enough problems trying to deal with my dads cancer treatments and bills, i wasnt going to put the extra burden on them.

Again, some states/districts are different. So im not speaking for everyone, Im just saying it wasnt free, and it was clear kids with more money could go further. It isnt just about motivation and I just think thats a lie people tell themselves when they genuinely dont understand others struggles.
I was talking solely about the entrance tests and tutoring to get into magnet schools. You raise a valid point about both the additional costs associated with attendance and the fact that every school\location is different so kudos for doing so.

My kids took AP classes and it was a few hundred $$$ a year.
Their school had various programs where kids having financial issues could anonymously request and receive aid for anything from coursework to bus costs or cheerleading uniforms. The only person that knew they were getting the aid was the teacher, for donators like myself it was unknown other than what the need was.

For the record, I'm not a fan of magnet schools and would prefer an integrated highschool with gifted coursework etc.

Again, the root complaint seems to be around the racial admission %'s. I like my sports example, dismissing that the kdis getting into the magnet school didn't perhaps put in more work to do so and just happened to have more exam prep or tutors is perhaps an indictment of the accusers not having the right mindset towards hard work paying off in academics.

Good discussion.
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Old Today, 03:45 PM
 
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You know, you dont have to kick anyone out of the program to add others in right ?
Mathematically, yeah you almost certainly do if you're going to broadly lower the admission score. Either that or you would need to institute lower admission scores by racial group so that you are only letting in more of whatever type you desire.

ie. If the admission score is 85 and you lower it to 80, you're unlikely to improve the "asian ratios".
However, if you're just lowered the score to 80 for blacks then that would be different. (But if the school is already at capacity...where would you make the room?)

By definition if the schools are already operating at capacity and you are going to institute altered admissions guidelines to let in more left handed students just to make up a group....that means some right handed students that would have been in before now don't make the cut.
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Old Today, 03:47 PM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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If you check his record as Mayor, De Blasio is pretty much the bench mark of where liberal insanity has gone.


He's probably the most extreme leftist running for President--yes, even more so than Bernie and Warren. He is a full blown unapologetic Marxist communist.

Recently Senator Gillibrand of NYS dropped out of the election because she didn't meet the minimum requirements for the debates, but De Blasio who is doing worse than she is and he insists on staying in--and I love it.

I want him to be on full left wing nut job blast for all of society to see.
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Old Today, 03:57 PM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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Wonderful. I can't agree more with de blasio because the progressives in NYC wealthy neighborhoods voted for this mayor and want equity. their kids will experience equity of outcome. why would these parents complain? they voted for this.
Oh as a resident, who has been following this with Chancellor Carranza for a year now--I love it. The uber left wing Upper West Side, hampton jitney, traveling, tofu eating, limousine elitist liberal is now feeding on it's own.


They voted for this bozo...and now it's a problem when his policies reach their back yards of exclusivity.I absolutely love that he's eliminating the gifted programs, and I LOVE the fact that he's putting homeless shelters on bilionaires row lol. The "outrage" from these liberals, the emergency community council meetings, and backlash that this is creating is absolutely priceless.
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Old Today, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Katy,Texas
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I was thinking if they want to equalize it racially. They could change the magnet schools to taking the top 1% from every middle school, like they do in Texas for UT and A and M. Now it wouldn’t massively increase the percentage of Non-Asian minorities by any means but unless rich parents started sending their kids to bad schools for middle school to take advantage of it, you would get a slightly less gifted population at the school. Even if the latter happened that’s parents integrating their children into a poor middle school. Which would lead to DeBlasios goal anyways.
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Old Today, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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I was talking solely about the entrance tests and tutoring to get into magnet schools. You raise a valid point about both the additional costs associated with attendance and the fact that every school\location is different so kudos for doing so.

My kids took AP classes and it was a few hundred $$$ a year.

Their school had various programs where kids having financial issues could anonymously request and receive aid for anything from coursework to bus costs or cheerleading uniforms. The only person that knew they were getting the aid was the teacher, for donators like myself it was unknown other than what the need was.

For the record, I'm not a fan of magnet schools and would prefer an integrated highschool with gifted coursework etc.

Again, the root complaint seems to be around the racial admission %'s. I like my sports example, dismissing that the kdis getting into the magnet school didn't perhaps put in more work to do so and just happened to have more exam prep or tutors is perhaps an indictment of the accusers not having the right mindset towards hard work paying off in academics.

Good discussion.
I don't remember my kids paying anything for the AP classes they took. What was that for?

It could be it's covered in our property taxes, though, since most of the money goes into the public school.
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