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Old 08-29-2019, 10:18 AM
 
Location: London
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As it should be.



Nothing is perfect.

Exercising personal responsibility does not equal perfection.

What do children do to deserve being born to parents who can't provide for them.....answer: nothing.

Adults expecting others to help pay for their actions is wrong.
Exactly.

I sincerely believe that only wealthy people should have children.

If that means the human race dies out, oh well. Guess humans weren't resourceful enough to provide for themselves enough to be able to maintain the population.
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Old 08-29-2019, 10:35 AM
 
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Sadly that is not always the case. My son is dating a woman who grew up in foster care. Her parents were poor, dad an alcoholic, mom had health issues and a gambling problem, 6 or 7 kids. She and her siblings went from foster home to foster home and back and forth. She and one brother were adopted by this family. The father sexually abused them and was finally arrested and prosecuted when she was 18. One sister is a druggie, a brother schizophrenic and committed suicide. She has one brother she keeps in contract with, the other she has no idea about.
When she was with her parents she said although she loved her mom and her mom loved the kids they often went hungry, eating out of dumpsters, were often dirty. Lots of abuses in those foster homes.
She is a wonderful person but has difficulties. She has two kids by two men who each have custody of their child. She is not mentally able to care for them. It saddens me how hard her life was and still is because of her childhood. We were just talking and I was saying how we were not allowed to snack between meals growing up. She said me either, well it depended on what foster family I was with. Every subject discussed the answer depends on which foster family she was with.
Sad life, and two perfect examples of someone that should not have had children, yet they did. Luckily the fathers were in the picture and can provide for them otherwise the cycle would have repeated itself a third time.
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Old 08-29-2019, 10:44 AM
 
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A quote from a patient of mine a few years back:
“Always been the case. What else is there to do when you don’t have a job, no money for beer, and no money for drugs. Sex is free so there you go. And since no one has money including the baby daddy, there is no worry from the fathers, there is no child support to be had and no parental responsibilities so again, why not.”

Imagine my thought when I was told this. This guy was serious and practiced what he preached.
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Old 08-29-2019, 10:53 AM
 
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Sad life, and two perfect examples of someone that should not have had children, yet they did. Luckily the fathers were in the picture and can provide for them otherwise the cycle would have repeated itself a third time.
Yes. And she loves her children very much but love is not enough to raise children. Money is not either, it take both resources and love. Its hard and expensive.
At least she had the sense to have her tubes tied after the second one. Just guessing but she probably was not able to find a doctor to do it with just one child.
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Old 08-29-2019, 10:54 AM
 
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When women have education, options, and opportunities, the birth rate goes down. Happens around the world. Welfare or no welfare.

Republicans are hell bent on making it difficult if not impossible for poor American women to get abortions or birth control, then despises them for having babies.

If you limit options for women -- education, opportunities, birth control, abortions, -- you end up with a bunch of babies.

Hard to figure out what the Republican end game is here.

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Old 08-29-2019, 11:11 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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When women have education, options, and opportunities, the birth rate goes down. Happens around the world. Welfare or no welfare.

Republicans are hell bent on making it difficult if not impossible for poor American women to get abortions or birth control, then despise them for having babies.
That is such total BS. There are 14,000+ FQHC Title X clinics (both public and private) providing birth control and comprehensive women's health care services located throughout the US.
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Old 08-29-2019, 11:14 AM
 
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When women have education, options, and opportunities, the birth rate goes down. Happens around the world. Welfare or no welfare.

Republicans are hell bent on making it difficult if not impossible for poor American women to get abortions or birth control, then despise them for having babies.

If you limit options for women -- education, opportunities, birth control, abortions, -- you end up with a bunch of babies.

Hard to figure out what the Republican end game is here.
You cant blame this on Republicans. The birth rate has been dropping for four consecutive years since the increase in 2014 and continues to do so while the number of pregnancies/births paid for by medicaid has been increasing (10%) since 2008. Obviously there has been access to birth control including abortions.
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Old 08-29-2019, 11:20 AM
 
Location: New York
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You cant blame this on Republicans. The birth rate has been dropping for four consecutive years since the increase in 2014 and continues to do so while the number of pregnancies/births paid for by medicaid has been increasing (10%) since 2008. Obviously there has been access to birth control including abortions.

There's a strong negative correlation between female education and number of births:

https://blogs.worldbank.org/health/f...oser-look-data

Reduced child mortality, increased access to birth control and increased work opportunities are also cited. All hallmarks of a developed or developing society.

This said, other factors like religion will play a part as well, especially in countries where religious beliefs have a greater hold in the society.
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Old 08-29-2019, 11:32 AM
 
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Birth control is not hard to get. There are 14,000+ FQHC Title X clinics (both public and private) providing birth control and comprehensive women's health care services located throughout the US.
And the only taxpayer subsidized one? PP.
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Old 08-29-2019, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Watervliet, NY
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When has it ever been affordable to have a child in the history of man on this planet? Like I said, if money, not love, is the reason for having a child, stop. And shaming people is not a good look ...
My two nephews' parents don't seem to have a problem providing for them. They both have very well-paying jobs - my brother works for the NYS DEC and his ex wife is a PACU clinical lead. And those boys are being raised up to very hard working, enterprising, forward-thinking individuals, both standout athletes and scholars. They get a lot of perks and privileges that low-income kids can only dream about.
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