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Old 08-30-2019, 06:53 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Yes, I guess I should have put flesh eating bacteria and right-wing lunatics on the same plane. So, the score is flesh eating bacteria One and Right Wing Lunatics One.

As far as porcupines, I suspect even porcupines know better than to destroy every tree in the forest.
So it is porcupines One, Right wing lunatics Zero.

As to your remaining post, yes man may adapt to higher temperatures after much pain, but it seems the more prudent action would be to deal with it now and keep climate change to a minimum and thus minimize the disruption and pain. But that is just me.
You need to study up on those porcupines, bacteria, fungus, and other critters out there.

Much pain? No not really.

The climate is absolutely cyclic. This is a fact. I absolutely believe man exasperates it, meaning sped it along maybe even increased it.. That said it's also like that snowball rolling down hill.

The best thing for man to do is reduce our numbers significantly. Less people means fewer resources consumed, less pollution. and a greener world. Everyone wins.

Ill say what no one wants to. Forced birth control globally is what is needed. First world countries are already at replacement levels or below. Let Darwin get the win. Those that can adapt, will and will survive. Those that can't, won't and life on the planet will go on.
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Old 08-30-2019, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Just go nakid, plant more trees and we’ll be ok
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Old 08-30-2019, 06:57 PM
 
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I'm curious as to what your proposed solutions are.

Should the United States go to war with countries like China, India, and Russia over their polution? Even if the United States achieved net-zero carbon emissions and completely stopped using plastics it would barely make a dent into what's happening on a global scale.

Should the US cut foreign aid to Africa and stop incentivizing the population boom they're experiencing? Pollution from Africa is growing rapidly and the United States keeps giving them food, medicine, capital, etc.

Should we stop trade and shipping? A huge amount of pollution comes from the transportation sector.
With your attitude we would of never made it to the moon or defeated Nazi Germany. America is the king of innovation and new ideas...but half this country has it's head in the sand and won't admit we have a big problem on our hands.

In order to fix a problem, you first have to admit you have a problem. Half of this country is not pulling it's weight when it comes to facing this challenge.
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Old 08-30-2019, 07:02 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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With your attitude we would of never made it to the moon or defeated Nazi Germany. America is the king of innovation and new ideas...but half this country has it's head in the sand and won't admit we have a big problem on our hands.

In order to fix a problem, you first have to admit you have a problem. Half of this country is not pulling it's weight when it comes to facing this challenge.
I agree. People like Al Gore flying around on private jets and living in mansions. The problem is that many of the people demanding change actually mean change for the working stiffs but not the elites.

How is that Obama carbon footprint doing? Gore? Clintons? Pelosi? All those celebrities demanding change? Yes for everyone but the elite.
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Old 08-30-2019, 07:04 PM
 
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The human race, well, the right-wing lunatics among us to be precise, have decided that we should conduct a great experiment on ourselves. That experiment, which includes us, these lunatics as well as their children, is to see how far we can stretch this planet's resources, change the composition of the atmosphere, pollute every nook and cranny of the earth and dump a trillion tons of co2 into the atmosphere and see where it will all lead. Though the evidence is overwhelming that we we causing irreparable damage to the planet, these lunatics stay in the way of any efforts to deal with this problems.

Even the lowest of life forms, including bacteria, know not to kill or irreparably harm its host or the body that supports them.

That is One for bacteria, Zero for right-wing lunatics.
China and India are considered right wing?
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Old 08-30-2019, 07:05 PM
 
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Man may adapt but corn sure will not. A crop like corn cannot pollinate with temps above 95. Higher temps may also kill off the bees. More importantly, more heat ,less water.

There are many people who under the impression they will simply be able to turn their thermostats down. They seem to forget that we have an aging electrical grid that will fry with the excess demand for power.

If your think the US has problems with immigration now wait until these southern countries become unbearable because of the heat. There will be mass migrations in every form you can imagine.

The effects of CC are limitless. We will also need to contend with insects migrating northward that will bring disease.

No need to try to control population. Climate change will take care of that.
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Old 08-30-2019, 07:08 PM
 
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You need to study up on those porcupines, bacteria, fungus, and other critters out there.

Much pain? No not really.

The climate is absolutely cyclic. This is a fact. I absolutely believe man exasperates it, meaning sped it along maybe even increased it.. That said it's also like that snowball rolling down hill.

The best thing for man to do is reduce our numbers significantly. Less people means fewer resources consumed, less pollution. and a greener world. Everyone wins.

Ill say what no one wants to. Forced birth control globally is what is needed. First world countries are already at replacement levels or below. Let Darwin get the win. Those that can adapt, will and will survive. Those that can't, won't and life on the planet will go on.
Population numbers are an issue, but population growth is slowing if not in negative rates in Japan, Italy and other Western nations. Sometime in the future the worldwide population will reach equilibrium and begin to decline. However, there is no doubt too many people are straining our resources.

Be that as it may, climate change is something that can not be ignored. We can either reduce population on our own terms or have it foisted upon us by mass starvation, wars or mass migrations.

I prefer the former.
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Old 08-30-2019, 07:15 PM
 
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With your attitude we would of never made it to the moon or defeated Nazi Germany. America is the king of innovation and new ideas...but half this country has it's head in the sand and won't admit we have a big problem on our hands.

In order to fix a problem, you first have to admit you have a problem. Half of this country is not pulling it's weight when it comes to facing this challenge.
I agree with you that the only realistic solution is new technology. The thing is that there isn't a single right-winger who is preventing you from developing that tech. You can hire as many researchers as you want, you can invest your money anywhere that you'd like. And if you happen to invent something you'll be one of the wealthiest people on the planet with enough money to fund countless philanthropic acts. Governments and politicians don't invent things, people do.
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Old 08-30-2019, 07:16 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Population numbers are an issue, but population growth is slowing if not in negative rates in Japan, Italy and other Western nations. Sometime in the future the worldwide population will reach equilibrium and begin to decline. However, there is no doubt too many people are straining our resources.

Be that as it may, climate change is something that can not be ignored. We can either reduce population on our own terms or have it foisted upon us by mass starvation, wars or mass migrations.

I prefer the former.
I prefer everyone pay their own way. Starting with the worst offenders both individually and collectively. Nail the countries with the most polluted cities. Nail the individuals who are the worst offenders. Those private jet types like Sean Penn, Gore, the Clintons, the Obamas etc.

Wanna be real? Set a standard average square footage of living space per person. A family of 3 in a 1200 SQFT home pays no carbon tax. A family of 4 in 4000 sqft house pays a penalty for excess. Any house over say 4000 SQFT pays a penalty. Hit the offenders instead of the working class. Hit the elites.
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Old 08-30-2019, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Carbon tax alone will not fix the problem...Switching to carbon neutral energy sources is the only way, unless we go back to the stone age. It is already happening.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/oil-pro...wer-1482753616

https://www.greentechmedia.com/artic...an-for-florida

Wind and solar energy are now cheaper than fossil fuels. The cost of renewable energy generation is dropping and in some regions is now cheaper than building gas or coal-fuelled power stations.

https://www.lifegate.com/people/life...r-fossil-fuels
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