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Old 09-02-2019, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Over a 30 day period this summer Chicago had 11 mass shootings. You tell us why they aren’t enforcing the laws of our country.
Wow! Yes, we have a massive out of control gun problem in our country. Since the current laws are unenforceable, you make a good argument for gun confiscation.

 
Old 09-02-2019, 01:08 PM
 
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That is a start.

I agree with the part that driving privileges can be terminated if driving regulations are not followed or a person is deemed physically/mentally unfit. I also like that a person can be charged for providing alcohol to a minor or to a customer who gets drunk and kills someone driving.


You are on to something for gun regulations.
Great.

So the new laws mean you only need to show an ID to make sure you're of age when buying a gun from a business. If you want to fire the gun in public, you need to have a license, but to use on private property, you don't need anything. An adult can give any other adult a gun. And guns don't have to be tracked or registered unless you shoot it in public.

You're good with that, right? Because that would be the same as cars and alcohol.
 
Old 09-02-2019, 01:10 PM
 
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Wow! Yes, we have a massive out of control gun problem in our country. Since the current laws are unenforceable, you make a good argument for gun confiscation.
Those are all gang related shootings and I would guess every single gun involved was not purchased legally. We DO have a problem with some liberal cities not handling their gang issues. Innocent people in the vicinity are losing their lives.

Most likely any officers who go door to door to confiscate guns in these neighborhoods will be executed by the criminals. It is sad that you want the innocent citizens in the neighborhood to have no way to protect themselves from these animals.
 
Old 09-02-2019, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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If they can get guns out of the hands of criminals with laws, why haven't they used those same laws on heroine and cocaine?

Yeah, just like drug laws don't keep drugs off the streets, gun laws won't keep them off the streets either.

I do like your idea of using the same regulations for cars and alcohol for guns.
Thanks. Now we need a prohibition of guns just as we have for illicit drugs.
 
Old 09-02-2019, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Anyone who argues that laws cannot be enforced, how would you be able to fight an oppressive government if you can't prevent crime now?
 
Old 09-02-2019, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Good guy with a gun + 1

Mass shooters, 2019 + 290 and counting....
Correction:

Good guy with a gun + 1

Gun-free zones, 2019 + 290 and counting...
 
Old 09-02-2019, 01:25 PM
 
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Anyone who argues that laws cannot be enforced, how would you be able to fight an oppressive government if you can't prevent crime now?
Such failure.

You have yet to explain how laws will keep guns out of the hands of criminals since no prohibition laws have ever been successful in the US.
 
Old 09-02-2019, 01:27 PM
 
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Correction:

Good guy with a gun + 1

Gun-free zones, 2019 + 290 and counting...
Unlike the laws against bringing guns into a school or laws against shooting kids, the new gun laws will include "we're very serious" which will mean they will be obeyed. Lol
 
Old 09-02-2019, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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^^^Deflection!
No, obviously not.

If you are concerned about deaths, then you should have equal or greater concern for those other deaths. On the other hand, I suspect perusing this board for other posts by you would find no outrage about myriad other causes of death, only for those brought about by guns.

Your concern about guns is misplaced. There are relatively few deaths by gun that are problematic. Most gun deaths are suicides and I for one believe every person has the right to check themselves out when they want.

Many of the other deaths are accidental, justifiable homicides by police and civilians and the small remainder are the only genuine murders. Eliminate gang activity and drugs and the number of of murders would shrink to negligible.

The fact is, too often, people who espouse your viewpoint simply hate guns for no rational reason, just because they’ve allowed themselves to be brainwashed by the rabidly anti-gun to believe there’s some sort of problem when, in fact, there is not.

I had already posted this elsewhere here.

“Here’s some info on your chances.

There are roughly 32,000 deaths a year is the US and declining
Of the approximately 32, 000 annual gun deaths...
3% are accidentals = 960
4% are justifiable homicide = 1,280
33% are homicides =10,560
60% are suicides = 19,200
80% of of the above homicides are gang related = 8,448
So 2,112 in a society of 312 million people are actual gun murders.

In other words you have about a 0.00010256410256 chance of being killed by someone using a gun.
If you don’t belong to a gang, and are not planning on committing suicide or committing a crime you chances of dying by a gun are about 0.000009846153846.”
 
Old 09-02-2019, 01:34 PM
 
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Such failure.

You have yet to explain how laws will keep guns out of the hands of criminals since no prohibition laws have ever been successful in the US.
Yeah, we all know the type. They grew up in the burbs, live in nice areas, if not gated communities and utterly lack the diversity of experience of those living in poorer\rougher areas.

They then roll in from the safety of their mostly crime free lives and pontificate about how everyone else should live their lives outside of the ivory tower.
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