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Guess you have a thing for ovens and gas chambers..
No, that would have been the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
They were against capitalism, big business and the elite. They talked about things like equality and socializing industry to help the workers and down trodden.
Sound familiar?
And, just like what usually happens with such socialist movements, they gained enough popular support that they began showing their true colors.
You'll see so many parallels between them and our left. It's kind of scary.
Here is a excerpt from the book Hitler: A Biography by British historian Ian Kershaw:
"Hitler was never a socialist. But although he upheld private property, individual entrepreneurship, and economic competition, and disapproved of trade unions and workers' interference in the freedom of owners and managers to run their concerns, the state, not the market, would determine the shape of economic development. Capitalism was,therefore, left in place [emphasis mine]. But in operation it was turned into an adjunct of the state."
So while Nazism could be considered statism, or crony capitalism, it wasn't socialism.
So it continues...the end of globalism/the new world order/international socialism/however you want to define terms. The AFD failed to get a victory, but got its highest vote totals ever. Very similar to the split decision for Europe in May.
We have seen Brexit, Trump, Salvini, Orban in Hungary, a close victory for Le Penn's party in France. the end of Merkel, independence movements in Catalonia and Scotland, the takeover by Law and Justice in Poland...
I have one point to this thread. Historians generally agree that history does not repeat itself. When the "old days" are gone, they are gone for good. That does not mean that the triumph of the right in Western politics is inevitable, but I think it is apparent and inescapable for all, whether they like it or not, that we have seen the high water mark of globalism, and the left. It has broken, and is rolling back, albeit slowly.
Agree? Disagree?
The first half of the twentieth century was a period where hard-Right populist regimes quickly came to power and might have been successful in the long run (assuming you view domination of the world via military dictatorship as successful) if they had been led by anyone other than madman Hitler and pathetic Mussolini.
We all know the outcome - 3% of the world's population was killed as a result of WWII. Will we go there again? Would not be surprising at all, because human beings have very short memories. Remains to be seen but it looks like we are going to go down that path again.
Here is a excerpt from the book Hitler: A Biography by British historian Ian Kershaw:
"Hitler was never a socialist. But although he upheld private property, individual entrepreneurship, and economic competition, and disapproved of trade unions and workers' interference in the freedom of owners and managers to run their concerns, the state, not the market, would determine the shape of economic development. Capitalism was,therefore, left in place [emphasis mine]. But in operation it was turned into an adjunct of the state."
So while Nazism could be considered statism, or crony capitalism, it wasn't socialism.
Tend to agree with this analysis. Reality is that the Corporate State here in the USA isn't that much different. No military dictatorship at the moment to uphold it and feed from it, but the principles as codified in Citizens United have many parallels.
Why have you forgotten communism? We all know that the average person is under the thumb, given either extreme of the ideological spectrum, hard-Right or hard-Left. We all know that the practical and workable solution is a hybrid that slices somewhere in the middle. This is what we have been using for a long time in the USA and so far it has worked really well. No matter what the fearmongers try to tell us.
Why have you forgotten communism? We all know that the average person is under the thumb, given either extreme of the ideological spectrum, hard-Right or hard-Left. We all know that the practical and workable solution is a hybrid that slices somewhere in the middle. This is what we have been using for a long time in the USA and so far it has worked really well. No matter what the fearmongers try to tell us.
Why have you forgotten communism? We all know that the average person is under the thumb, given either extreme of the ideological spectrum, hard-Right or hard-Left. We all know that the practical and workable solution is a hybrid that slices somewhere in the middle. This is what we have been using for a long time in the USA and so far it has worked really well. No matter what the fearmongers try to tell us.
Both our Democrat and Republican parties are authoritarian right on the scale. Which just makes their battles silly as they're very similar. We don't get any real representation of a true left or libertarianism here.
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