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Old 09-03-2019, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Planet earth
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A while back a Republican candidate supported the idea of a 9% income tax, 9% sales tax, and a 9% corporate tax.

Do you think a 10% income tax with $10,000 exemption, 10% sales tax (With exemption on medical services, pharmaceuticals, contraceptives, feminine hygeine products, sales of food in a grocery store, medical equipment), and a 10% business tax.

Do you think that would improve the U.S. economy?

Do you think if all taxes outside of corporate were replaced with a 20% sales tax and a 20% corporate tax. Would that be better?

Should the U.S. do away with Federal tax returns?

Thoughts...

Discuss

All confiscated taxes do is enrich the government coffers so they can spend on their pork projects and other items, which in most cases they have no constitutional authority.

Eliminate ALL unconstitutional agencies and departments. Eliminate ALL regulations that are not laws passed by Congress. Eliminate ALL malum prohibitum crime laws, then pay off the debt with the current incoming taxes, then seriously reduce ALL taxes to where they should be.

Lastly, but most important... there is absolutely NOTHING government action can do to promote a good economy EXCEPT to remove the restrictions it has already placed upon citizens and businesses. Governments do NOT create wealth, they steal wealth via taxes, then they manage that money extremely poorly. No one can better manage the money of another because they have no incentive to be frugal with that money, especially if there is no limit to how much more they can demand at the barrel of a gun. For those who are so naive to think government doesn't point a gun at you to compel you to pay taxes, try not paying your taxes and watch how fast people with guns come and arrest you, lock you in a cage, then take your property.
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Old 09-03-2019, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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All confiscated taxes do is enrich the government coffers so they can spend on their pork projects and other items, which in most cases they have no constitutional authority.

Eliminate ALL unconstitutional agencies and departments. Eliminate ALL regulations that are not laws passed by Congress. Eliminate ALL malum prohibitum crime laws, then pay off the debt with the current incoming taxes, then seriously reduce ALL taxes to where they should be.

Lastly, but most important... there is absolutely NOTHING government action can do to promote a good economy EXCEPT to remove the restrictions it has already placed upon citizens and businesses. Governments do NOT create wealth, they steal wealth via taxes, then they manage that money extremely poorly. No one can better manage the money of another because they have no incentive to be frugal with that money, especially if there is no limit to how much more they can demand at the barrel of a gun. For those who are so naive to think government doesn't point a gun at you to compel you to pay taxes, try not paying your taxes and watch how fast people with guns come and arrest you, lock you in a cage, then take your property.
It's so surreal to me when people think a government can improve an economy. It can literally only ever be a burden on the economy. The voluntary sector (private) creates the wealth, and the involuntary sector (gov) steps in and decides how it's spent...and worse, they have to take an extra cut to pay their employees to do it.

I like this analogy I heard - you decide you want to fill up a pool, but all you do is scoop water from the deep end, run to the other side, and pour it in the shallow end...and to make matters worse, there's a hole in that bucket and you leak water every trip.

Not only do you not fill up the pool, but it dries up the more you try that strategy. I at least appreciate the socialist types who admit that their ideas will make us poorer. Even Marx knew that.
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Old 09-03-2019, 09:10 PM
 
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For those who are so naive to think government doesn't point a gun at you to compel you to pay taxes, try not paying your taxes and watch how fast people with guns come and arrest you, lock you in a cage, then take your property.
Yep. Whenever I say that I am forced to pay taxes at the 'point of a gun', the liberals all scoff.....

I had the opportunity to watch a neighboring business that was slightly behind as the IRS swooped in like they were chasing a mass killer.....shotguns brandished by several agents...chains to lock the doors as customers were thrown out.....that was when I was in my 20's and now, 40 years later, that memory is etched in my mind.

You better believe that paying taxes is not a choice at all. A main reason I shudder whenever I hear libs want to spend my hard-earned money on their pet projects.....

Hands off. Donate your own money.
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Old 09-03-2019, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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All confiscated taxes do is enrich the government coffers so they can spend on their pork projects and other items, which in most cases they have no constitutional authority.

Eliminate ALL unconstitutional agencies and departments. Eliminate ALL regulations that are not laws passed by Congress. Eliminate ALL malum prohibitum crime laws, then pay off the debt with the current incoming taxes, then seriously reduce ALL taxes to where they should be.

Lastly, but most important... there is absolutely NOTHING government action can do to promote a good economy EXCEPT to remove the restrictions it has already placed upon citizens and businesses. Governments do NOT create wealth, they steal wealth via taxes, then they manage that money extremely poorly. No one can better manage the money of another because they have no incentive to be frugal with that money, especially if there is no limit to how much more they can demand at the barrel of a gun. For those who are so naive to think government doesn't point a gun at you to compel you to pay taxes, try not paying your taxes and watch how fast people with guns come and arrest you, lock you in a cage, then take your property.
So you would pretty strongly support privatized government. For instance, there would be chains of courthouse companies.
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Old 09-03-2019, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Yep. Whenever I say that I am forced to pay taxes at the 'point of a gun', the liberals all scoff.....

I had the opportunity to watch a neighboring business that was slightly behind as the IRS swooped in like they were chasing a mass killer.....shotguns brandished by several agents...chains to lock the doors as customers were thrown out.....that was when I was in my 20's and now, 40 years later, that memory is etched in my mind.

You better believe that paying taxes is not a choice at all. A main reason I shudder whenever I hear libs want to spend my hard-earned money on their pet projects.....

Hands off. Donate your own money.
So you would also strongly support privatized government. Privitize city halls, courthouses, city halls all the way to the White House. But who would own the White House?
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Old 09-03-2019, 10:38 PM
 
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So you would pretty strongly support privatized government. For instance, there would be chains of courthouse companies.
Not speaking for KS, but we only need Gov't in a limited way......Although I would think Courts would be under the control of the Gov't.....as well as the police and military, all that kinda stuff....

If you look at the original context of the Federal Gov't, they were supposed to be in charge of the Military/Border/Dealing with other countries, and that's about it. everything else should be left to the States.....
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Old 09-03-2019, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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It's so surreal to me when people think a government can improve an economy. It can literally only ever be a burden on the economy. The voluntary sector (private) creates the wealth, and the involuntary sector (gov) steps in and decides how it's spent...and worse, they have to take an extra cut to pay their employees to do it.
You're wrong. When government cooperates with capitalism it certainly can help improve the economy. For instance, Oklahoma City would not have been able to bring in a pro basketball team had it not persuade citizens to keep sales taxes up to pay to enhance the arena. https://www.okc.gov/government/maps-3/maps-history As a result Thunder basketball games regularly bring people and their money to downtown Oklahoma City. The construction of Bricktown Canal in downtown Oklahoma City, financed by city sales tax dollars, has attracted various public and private development projects.
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Old 09-03-2019, 10:48 PM
 
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So you would also strongly support privatized government. Privitize city halls, courthouses, city halls all the way to the White House. But who would own the White House?
No, c'mon, grow a brain cell or two....
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Old 09-03-2019, 11:28 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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All confiscated taxes do is enrich the government coffers so they can spend on their pork projects and other items, which in most cases they have no constitutional authority.

Eliminate ALL unconstitutional agencies and departments. Eliminate ALL regulations that are not laws passed by Congress. Eliminate ALL malum prohibitum crime laws, then pay off the debt with the current incoming taxes, then seriously reduce ALL taxes to where they should be.

Lastly, but most important... there is absolutely NOTHING government action can do to promote a good economy EXCEPT to remove the restrictions it has already placed upon citizens and businesses. Governments do NOT create wealth, they steal wealth via taxes, then they manage that money extremely poorly. No one can better manage the money of another because they have no incentive to be frugal with that money, especially if there is no limit to how much more they can demand at the barrel of a gun. For those who are so naive to think government doesn't point a gun at you to compel you to pay taxes, try not paying your taxes and watch how fast people with guns come and arrest you, lock you in a cage, then take your property.
You do realize that the income tax is a constitutional amendment, right? The 16th amendment as ratified in 1909. It would take another amendment to actually repeal the income tax. What we do see passed every few years is instead the rates and loopholes. The ultimate problem is how small do we make government and how much taxes are needed to keep government afloat. Trump is actually running up the deficit faster than Obama did in his later years, partially due to his soak the rich tax policy.

As for unconstitutional agencies and departments, what ones are and how are they? As President (the leader of the Executive branch) they are to create, reorganize or disband agencies and department under the Constitution. To remove this would to require an amendment to the Constitution to end this practice. Every President has used these powers to various degrees.
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Old 09-04-2019, 12:47 AM
 
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So you would pretty strongly support privatized government. For instance, there would be chains of courthouse companies.

I typically don't block someone for posting a single revision of my post. making claims I NEVER made, but for you I will make an exception. Read and attribute what I wrote, not what your addled brain twists my words into meaning.



Buh bye!
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