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Old 09-09-2019, 08:03 AM
 
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You are a moron if you think the Secretary of State is responsible for every diplomatic outpost. Are you that person?
You are a moron if you think: Hillary/Obama didn't deceive the American people to help O's 2012 election; the Hillary backed regime change war in Libya wasn't a disaster and the underlying cause of the Benghazi attack; or that Libya wasn't a conduit for weapons to anti-Hassad Syrian militias that may or may not have been anti-U.S. groups. Are you that person ?


Anyway, at this point, what difference does it make ?
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Old 09-09-2019, 08:19 AM
 
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After Civil War II concludes and the bullets stop flying, the definitive history of Benghazi will be written...until then it’s just posturing and accusations. Too bad I’ll probably never read it.
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Old 09-09-2019, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Texas
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You are a moron if you think the Secretary of State is responsible for every diplomatic outpost. Are you that person?
You are a moron if you think people will believe that I said she is responsible for every diplomatic outpost. It's obvious to those who care about the truth that I did not. She is responsible for the gun running behind the nation building that got 4 Americans killed. That is a fact.

But you keep making things up about others because you don't have the intelligence or the knowledge to discuss the issue.
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Old 09-09-2019, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Texas
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After Civil War II concludes and the bullets stop flying, the definitive history of Benghazi will be written...until then it’s just posturing and accusations. Too bad I’ll probably never read it.
Incorrect. There is no posturing or conjecture. It is a known fact, that Hillary was nation building. She ran guns to one side and the other side retaliated. That was her baby.

The person who planned the gun running, Marc Turi, was called on the carpet by Obama who wanted to know how some of the weapons, meant for those throwing overthrowing Assad, ended up in the hands of terrorists.
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Old 09-09-2019, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Florida
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For anyone interested in this, I highly recommend Ed Klein's book Blood Feud. All based on anonymous sources, but he presents a narrative that explains a lot of otherwise inexplicable items.

Why did Hillary go along with the 'movie trailer' nonsense in the wake of the death of her friend Chris Stevens? Remember Benghazi happened less than 2 months before the 2012 election, and Obama's top campaign aide David Plouffe was worried that news of a terror strike would hurt the campaign. Hence the 'movie trailer' story to make it look non-terror-related. Hillary didn't want to go along with it, but she was in a box. If she revealed the true nature of what was going on, it would have been like up-ending the chess-board. So she bit her lip and went along.

She did refuse to go on the Sunday shows for the 'full Ginsberg,' which is why they had to get Susan Rice to do it instead.

If you read Ed Klein's book along with 13 hours (about the attack), and the 7-fold revision of the admin's 'talking points' regarding Benghazi, it all fits together.
Klein is a known rumor monger. Not credible.
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Old 09-09-2019, 12:49 PM
 
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"Hillary, Brennan, & Obama running weapons to the so called "enemy""

Not exactly new information, we know they were running guns/weapons. To rebels in Syria, if I remember right. That's why everything was so hush hush. Who knows, maybe it was the right thing to do at the time.
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Old 09-09-2019, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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You are a moron if you think the Secretary of State is responsible for every diplomatic outpost. Are you that person?
Um, the Secretary of State is responsible for every "diplomatic outpost."

The one thing that a US Embassy, US Embassy Mission, US Consulate, US Consular Office, US Consular Activity, US Trade Mission, US Trade Activity, US Trade Office or US Charge d'Affaires all have in common is that they all report to the Secretary of State.

Because....drum-roll please....the Secretary of State is responsible.

I'm guessing you've never worked in a US diplomatic office. I have.

The one thing those offices do not have in common is staffing. They're all staffed differently.
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Old 09-10-2019, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Klein is a known rumor monger. Not credible.
ad hominem--logical fallacy. He uses the same methods as Bob Woodward and other similar writers, namely heavy dependence on anonymous sources.

And btw the phrase 'known rumor monger' amounts to an example of 'begging the question,' which is another logical fallacy. Congrats, that's two logical fallacies in a 1 line, 8 word post!
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Old 09-10-2019, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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If you read the book HRC by Allen and Parnes (also purveyors of anonymous sources, but AFAIK generally respected), Libya was completely Hillary's baby. It was supposed to showcase her FP theories of "smart power." She worked closely with Stevens to set up the outpost in Benghazi.

The gun-running, if it occurred, was a CIA project run from the CIA annex, a different facility in Benghazi. According to Ed Klein, what really happened was that Hillary got caught in a conundrum where she could not expose the (probably illegal) CIA hijinks, hence she had to reluctantly go along with the 'film trailer' nonsense.
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