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Old 09-05-2019, 05:03 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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It’s always illegally to purchase firearm when not eligible.
People seem to forget this all the time. Most of the time it is a multiple Felon that gets a gun illegally, then uses it illegally often committing the same crime with a gun he originally went to jail for. It is the inner city, recidivism that is the biggest problem yet the politicians of both parties, and the MEDIA ignore that, and blame the tool not the person.
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Old 09-05-2019, 05:21 AM
 
Location: MS
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This wouldn't have happened here in Washington State. We used to allow the 'private' gun sales, but in 2014 voters passed I-594 to require background checks on all gun sales. It has been very effective, and would have stopped this TX shooter in his tracks.
Universal background checks do not work unless there is registration. That's not happening.
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Old 09-05-2019, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Is it?


Quickly, using my -15 on the paper man, the target lock, my lining up the post sight, is broken when I pull the trigger and I have to reacquire for the next shot.


Conceptually, if I had, say, a 3 shot burst, on that pull of the trigger, I could be sending 3 rounds down 100 yards on one target lock.
Twenty rounds what's the difference in rate of fire, full auto M16 vs Semi-auto AR-15,
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Old 09-05-2019, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Yes.
There has been no significant improvement in firearms technology since the early 1900s. The "Colt 45" was designed by John Moses Browning in 1911. It's still available in almost the identical design over 100 years later. The AK-47 was designed in 1947. The AR-10 and it's little brother the AR-15 were designed in the 1960s. The Ruger Mini-14 and Mini-30 are based on the 30 caliber carbine from the 1940s.
Technology change has been minor but the proliferation of these weapons has exploded.
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Old 09-05-2019, 06:02 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Universal background checks do not work unless there is registration. That's not happening.
I don't think that is quite true, we already have registration in several states but it is doubtful that would occur in many pro-gun states, too much paranoia.
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Old 09-05-2019, 06:13 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Twenty rounds what's the difference in rate of fire, full auto M16 vs Semi-auto AR-15,

Let's see.


20 rounds on a -15 for the taking out a rifle squad scenario (11 men). First shot you get to aim and take your time because they don't know you are there, so take out the squad leader, but after that, they scatter and take cover. You might be able to get 1, 2 more before they are under cover. Let's say you see where each one takes cover, an optimal situation, so then it is a matter of waiting for each one to break cover and shooting him in that second. Assuming, of course, that they don't discover your location or see you as you come up to take a shot.


20 rounds on an M-16 on full auto: Ambush, lay down lead as they scatter before they take cover, probably beat feet out of there to assume the next ambush position.
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Old 09-05-2019, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Let's see.

20 rounds on a -15 for the taking out a rifle squad scenario (11 men). First shot you get to aim and take your time because they don't know you are there, so take out the squad leader, but after that, they scatter and take cover. You might be able to get 1, 2 more before they are under cover. Let's say you see where each one takes cover, an optimal situation, so then it is a matter of waiting for each one to break cover and shooting him in that second. Assuming, of course, that they don't discover your location or see you as you come up to take a shot.


20 rounds on an M-16 on full auto: Ambush, lay down lead as they scatter before they take cover, probably beat feet out of there to assume the next ambush position.

There is a reason the military uses fully automatic small arms like the M-16 and M-4. SUPPRESSIVE FIRE. Semi Auto single shots are not nearly as scary to people as the roar of full auto. That was why the MG-42 was so effective in WWII.
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Old 09-05-2019, 06:23 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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There is a reason the military uses fully automatic small arms like the M-16 and M-4. SUPPRESSIVE FIRE. Semi Auto single shots are not nearly as scary to people as the roar of full auto. That was why the MG-42 was so effective in WWII.

True and being a sniper in the scenario I presented, it sure would be nice to have an observer with that automatic rifle.


Anyhow, part of the differences between the full and semi automatic is the difference of tactics one has to use.

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Old 09-05-2019, 06:41 AM
 
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Technology change has been minor but the proliferation of these weapons has exploded.
So what you are saying is that these firearms are in common use for lawful purposes and are the type of weapon that would be brought from homes if the civilian militia were to be called up.................... Got it.
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Old 09-05-2019, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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I don’t think we need to make it easier for felons.



So keep dangerous, violent felons in jail where they belong.

Everyone else gets their 2nd amendment rights as written.


Problem solved.
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