U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 09-05-2019, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Richmond,VA
3,425 posts, read 2,171,589 times
Reputation: 2540

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by tb4000 View Post
He's not a dictator. Dictators know what they're doing.

Oh really, which one? Obama?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 09-05-2019, 02:38 PM
 
10,371 posts, read 2,565,035 times
Reputation: 5161
Honest question for Democrats regarding your claim that Trump is "fascist" or a "dictator"

Her talks like a fascist, but mostly he is just an incompetent clown with character issues.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-05-2019, 02:40 PM
 
6,289 posts, read 1,722,487 times
Reputation: 3913
Quote:
Originally Posted by 205 View Post
Are the following actions or policies those you'd associate with a "fascist" or a "dictator"?

1) Passing a tax cut that resulted in all U.S. citizens keeping more of their own money (The limit on how much you can deduct from state taxes only affects a few high tax states so that is on those particular states. Ironically, the tax plan actually encourages those states to (gasp)....lower state income tax levels furthering lowering the overall tax burden for citizens of those states)

2) Support of policies that strengthen the right of all law abiding U.S. citizens to keep and bear arms. No doubt a top priority of all "fascist dictators"

3) Prison reform that lowers the severity of penalties and jail terms for non violent drug offenders and helps improve their future job prospects making it easier for them to rejoin society. A law that btw just happens to disproportionately help minority populations that have historically been discriminated against the most when it comes to sentencing and incarceration.

4) Re-negotiating trade deals with the goal of increasing manufacturing in the U.S. to hopefully boost employment opportunities for all U.S. citizens.

5) Imposing a travel ban from countries where government records on those citizens is unreliable. A travel ban very similar to the one with practically the same countries involved that the previous president imposed.

6) A policy to do everything legally and constitutionally allowed to secure our borders to protect both the safety and the economic prospects of legal U.S. citizens. A policy that would ultimately reduce the strain on social services saving the U.S. taxpayer tens of billions of dollars that is a annually spent on social services for people who broke the rules by entering the country illegally.

7) A policy and effort to outlaw late term, third trimester abortion with the exception of rape, incest, or threat to the life of a mother. I suppose some could stretch and twist this one into a "fascist" move but the fully formed (for all practical purposes) unborn child would probably beg to differ not to mention the hundreds of millions of U.S. citizens that value the right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness the soon to be child is entitled to. It may be rare that a perfectly normal pregnancy is aborted in the third trimester but it isn't unreasonable or "fascist" to simply require that one's right to choose is limited to the first 6 months of a pregnancy.

8) Support of a policy that strengthens the 1st Amendment and every U.S. citizen's right to free speech as well as the press's right to a free press regardless of how unpopular or how "hateful" (i.e. "hate speech") that speech may be.

That's just to name a few. Which of these policies either passed or supported by President Trump make him a "fascist" or a "dictator"? What other policies not mentioned that he has either passed into law or supports makes him a "fascist" or a "dictator"? Is it possible that maybe he isn't really a "fascist" or a "dictator" and you just hate the man's guts or are you honestly concerned that he is on his way to becoming another murderous dictator and the second coming of Hitler?
Weren't half of us supposed to be in camps by now? If it wasn't so sad, it would be funny how the left always projects their own feelings and wants on their opposition.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-05-2019, 02:46 PM
 
Location: San Diego
5,630 posts, read 1,581,292 times
Reputation: 4108
Honest question for Democrats regarding your claim that Trump is "fascist" or a "dictator"


You're directing this question toward people who scream Trump is a "fascist" or "dictator" (and worse), but who never let out a peep about Barack "I have a pen and a phone" Obama or previous Democrats who crowed "Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Kinda cool!"?

And you're expecting HONESTY from them?

Nice to know you have a fine sense of humor.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-05-2019, 02:50 PM
 
994 posts, read 401,019 times
Reputation: 1834
Quote:
Originally Posted by 205 View Post
8) Support of a policy that strengthens the 1st Amendment and every U.S. citizen's right to free speech as well as the press's right to a free press regardless of how unpopular or how "hateful" (i.e. "hate speech") that speech may be.
Please explain this one further. He constantly refers to the press as the enemy of the people, and tells his supporters that everything the mainstream media reports is a lie. He has revoked the press credentials of Jim Acosta and Brian Karem. In June, he threatened a reporter with prison over a photo of a letter from Kim Jong-un. He has a history of suing or threatening to sue people who criticize him for defamation, and then not following through.

How do you make the leap from all that to First Amendment Champ?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-05-2019, 02:59 PM
 
17,395 posts, read 4,608,702 times
Reputation: 11994
To the OP.

Maybe you are sincere, but I don't think you get it.

He is a WOULD-BE dictator and fascist....not actually one!

Please, name the major pieces of legislation he cajoled Congress into doing...HARD things, not tax cuts from debt and deficit (giving money away free is easy...and, only his party really went along).

To my knowledge, his accomplishments are about zero. Thinking or speaking or rallying doesn't make it so. Even Executive Orders don't make it so.

If you were even a semi-honest Rightie you would be down on that tax cut BIG time. After all, it goes 100% against what the Right has called their #1 issue for 8+ years - it increased the deficit VASTLY (doubled it) and will increase both the debt and deficit for the foreseeable future.

So right there - you lose.....in calling that a positive thing.

I'm not going to go blow by blow with you, but he HAS expressed admiration for
NK Great Leader
Putin
Duerte
and others who are the worst of the worst...authoritarians, totalitarians, etc.

Is is possible for someone to LOVE a bunch of Dictators and still not have those tendencies? Of course not. Notice that he doesn't LOVE the Will of the People - that is, he knows he didn't win the popular vote so - if anything - he should govern toward the center. But instead he governs solely for the 40% (base). That it itself is not American.

I could go on, but no need to. He doesn't have the smarts to be a real dictator or fascist. But he would if he could.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-05-2019, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Seattle
1,872 posts, read 406,337 times
Reputation: 1764
Some of the tells for me are:
  • a complete lack of statesmanship
  • his disrespect for his underlings
  • a general lack of compassion for the unfortunate
  • disregard of the constitution
  • his fondness for despotism
It appears he just likes to be worshiped and to acquire and maintain power.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-05-2019, 03:36 PM
 
38,303 posts, read 16,964,318 times
Reputation: 10441
Quote:
Originally Posted by rjshae View Post
Some of the tells for me are:
  • a complete lack of statesmanship
  • his disrespect for his underlings
  • a general lack of compassion for the unfortunate
  • disregard of the constitution
  • his fondness for despotism
It appears he just likes to be worshiped and to acquire and maintain power.
Really? If he really had those traits then who would worship him and allow him to maintain power? And before you start claiming his supporters like those kinds of traits you're completely wrong about most of us and those aren't his traits anyway. Only in the minds of the lying, spinning left do those traits exist in him.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-05-2019, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Haiku
5,129 posts, read 2,867,553 times
Reputation: 7479
OP's question is like that old joke question: "Is it true you stopped beating your wife?".

Trump's tendency to be an autocrat is not from any of the things listed but his disregard for the democratic institutions that we have - his disdain for law enforcement, his disdain for our courts and the independence of the judiciary, his disdain for independence of parts of the government that are supposed to apolitical, his constant attacks on the free press, his admiration for the despots of the world who have been implicated in murder of political opponents, his ugly attacks on political opponents, his refusal to lead all American people but instead to focus on just his own political base, and his blatant corruption.

All of these things are earmarks of a despot. People who have lived in tyrannies have reported that what they see in Trump is exactly what they saw in their own countries when they devolved into autocratic regimes. Maybe Trump won't go down that path but I think close vigilance is warranted.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-05-2019, 03:51 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
30,935 posts, read 17,130,034 times
Reputation: 23228
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hesychios View Post
Honest question for Democrats regarding your claim that Trump is "fascist" or a "dictator"

Her talks like a fascist, but mostly he is just an incompetent clown with character issues.
He has zero respect for the rule of law; for our institutions; he circumvented Congress (who appropriates the money) for his wall; he refers to the free press as the enemy of the people; he lies and lies and lies to the American people.

For starters.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top