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Old Yesterday, 10:09 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA View Post
Nothing like a firearm to turn a moment of bad judgment into a perfect disaster.

Those statistics about a firearm in the house being more likely to cause harm to a family member? They're not made up.
Nicely put
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Old Yesterday, 11:55 AM
 
Location: SM
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No charges to be filed. Even the State understood mens rea in this case. Hooray for a moment of clarity!

https://www.wfmj.com/story/41009190/...-shot-daughter

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Girard prosecutor Michael Scala issued a letter Thursday declining to file any charges, saying the incident did not rise to the level of a crime.

"The key question would be if the mother was negligent in not identifying her daughter before shooting. Based on the evidence of

1. The surprise visit

2. The night season and

3. mother living otherwise alone

I am declining to file this charge," Scala wrote. He also said the "castle doctrine" is a factor in the case. The castle doctrine is defined by the National Conference of State Legislatures as saying "individuals have the right to use reasonable force, including deadly force, to protect themselves against an intruder in their home."
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Old Yesterday, 12:11 PM
 
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My boyfriend bought a gun after his house was broken into, and since then I've refused to let myself into his home, even though I have a key. I call him from outside the door and tell him I am there, and he lets me in. I won't spend the night either, unless he locks up the gun before we go to bed - I don't want to get shot because I got up to pee and startled him.

His feelings are a little hurt by this, as he feel certain he wouldn't accidentally shoot me. But I'm not willing to take the risk. You simply cannot guarantee what you'll do in a situation like that, with adrenaline racing and panic setting it.
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Old Yesterday, 12:13 PM
 
Location: MS
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The daughter acted like an intruder. Her mistake. We dont read about what type of neighborhood it is, nor the crime stats as part of the story. If shes old enough for a boyfriend, shes old enough to know not to pull a stunt like this.

Years back I had a roommate in my house. I let him know I kept guns handy. I told him if he comes in late to not try to be extra quiet. Turn on lights downstairs and in the stairwell, waking me is ok. The most important thing is that I know its not an intruder. One night he tries to come in stealthily with some bar skank in tow. I damn near blew his head off as he ascended the stairs quietly and in total darkness. Fortunately, there was no accident involved that night.

Fast forward to now. When something goes bump in the night, I make sure my wife is next to me in bed. Then ascertain that my daughter is in her bed. Ill go quietly in the darkness through the rest of the house. Knowing for certain that my family is where they should be, anything/anyone else I find moving is getting shot without warning. I carry 35 rounds of hollowpoint and I have no intention of allowing anyone to escape once theyve entered my home uninvited.
When Mississippi passed their Castle Doctrine law, it clearly stated that the homeowner did not have to clearly identify who they were shooting at. They only needed to ensure that valid occupants of the home were accounted for.


My mother-in-law had a habit of showing up unannounced. It was annoying but I lived with it. I explained the new law to her and she laughed. I kept a serious expression and nothing else was said. A few days later she called to let us know she was coming. She called when she got into town. She called when she pulled up in the driveway. She loudly announced herself when she opened the back door.
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Old Yesterday, 12:15 PM
 
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Reason #786,123 I will never have a gun in my home. Guns make households less safe.
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Old Yesterday, 12:53 PM
 
Location: SDL/PDX/RDU
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From the article, late Friday night the daughter entered the home with her boyfriend.
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Thank God there was a good guy with a gun to nip that relationship in the bud.
Yup. Mom did the boyfriend a huge favor if he's smart enough to hop on the first train to Kalamazoo and ditch the crazee's. He's might be thinking what it would be like around that household at Thanksgiving when carving knives are within arms reach...
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Old Yesterday, 01:04 PM
 
Location: SDL/PDX/RDU
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My boyfriend bought a gun after his house was broken into, and since then I've refused to let myself into his home, even though I have a key. I call him from outside the door and tell him I am there, and he lets me in. I won't spend the night either, unless he locks up the gun before we go to bed - I don't want to get shot because I got up to pee and startled him.

His feelings are a little hurt by this, as he feel certain he wouldn't accidentally shoot me. But I'm not willing to take the risk. You simply cannot guarantee what you'll do in a situation like that, with adrenaline racing and panic setting it.
Unsolicited Ann Landers advise:
If he's unwilling to put your not unreasonable fear about this above his desire to keep a handgun it's time to dump the clown. Just sayin'.
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Old Yesterday, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Florida
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When i travelled 2000 miles to surpise my mom for thanksgiving, I still rang the doorbell, even though she didnt own a gun. Just didnt want to scare her by coming into the house unexpectedly. Its common sense.
People have been coming home unexpectedly for decades I can assure you. It does not usually result in homicide. I have not once heard--"I'm going to surprise mom--hope I don't get shot."
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Old Yesterday, 01:10 PM
 
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Unsolicited Ann Landers advise:
If he's unwilling to put your not unreasonable fear about this above his desire to keep a handgun it's time to dump the clown. Just sayin'.
Thank you, but he's fine. Like I said, his feelings are a little hurt but it isn't something we fight about. He does what I've asked in terms of locking it up when I'm there. I think once a little more time has passed since the break in he'll probably get rid it.
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Old Yesterday, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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People have been coming home unexpectedly for decades I can assure you. It does not usually result in homicide. I have not once heard--"I'm going to surprise mom--hope I don't get shot."
I'm just trying to picture an episode of Happy Days, where Marion blows a hole in a mischievous Joanie's head.
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