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Old Yesterday, 09:52 PM
 
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I wonder why Hungary is not popular with humans? Why are so many leaving this new Right Wing Paradise and going to "liberal" EU countries?

"The country’s nativist prime minister, Viktor Orbán, said it was conceivable that Hungary, with a population of just under 10 million that is shrinking due to low birthrates and emigration of Hungarians to EU states further west, could simply disappear.

It’s not hard to imagine that there would be one single last man who has to turn the lights out,” he said at the opening of the conference on Thursday."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...gration-policy

It's sorta humorous that a government has to tell people to "make love" more often....as if people are going to accept the responsibility because some Right Wing Nut told them to?? Would you have kids if Trump told you to do so???

This sounds like old Mother Russia when she needed to make more cannon fodder.

Maybe he should force Hungarians not to leave for more liberal pastures?
What the ****? This is a post?

Did you ever hear of this big left-wing disaster called Communism? Hungary suffered under it and it retarded the economy of Hungary, as it it all other central and eastern European countries, on an indefinite basis. That is why people leave eastern Europe to go to western Europe. WESTERN EUROPE WAS NOT DESTROYED BY EXTREME LEFT-WING POLICIES.

As for declining birthrates, all industrialized countries have them, including non-western countries such as Japan, China and South Korea. It is a natural consequence of women's rights. When they don't have to have 15 kids, they don't.

Really, why do you post on these things when you don't even know basic history or economics? Why not listen and learn instead of talking about things that are out of your depth?

Really? You are blaming the current regime for Hungary being economically backward? Really?

Just wow.

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Old Yesterday, 09:57 PM
 
Location: 15 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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Certainly you've studied the incredibly diverse population of Hungary? From Turks to Croats to Germans to Slavs to Jews (formerly) to Romanians and many others.

In very recent times (even today) many of these groups will tell you that the other groups are nothing like them...nothing at all.
Hungary's population was 9,937,628 according to the 2011 census, making it the fifth most populous country in Central and Eastern Europe and medium-sized member state of the European Union. Population density stands at 107 inhabitants per square kilometre, which is about two times higher than the world average. More than one quarter of the population lived in the Budapest metropolitan area, 6,903,858 people (69.5%) in cities and towns overall

According to the 2011 census, there were 8,314,029 (83.7%) ethnic Hungarians, 308,957 (3.1%) Romani, 131,951 (1.3%) Germans, 29,647 (0.3%) Slovaks, 26,345 (0.3%) Romanians, and 23,561 (0.2%) Croats in Hungary; 1,455,883 people (14.7% of the total population) did not declare their ethnicity. Thus, Hungarians made up more than 90% of people who declared their ethnicity.[4] In Hungary, people can declare more than one ethnicity, so the sum of ethnicities is higher than the total population

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary
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Old Yesterday, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Successful white countries or even communities were historically successful before being forced to diversify and are successful in spite of diversity not because of it. They'd be more successful with less diversity. Diversity seeks out successful white countries like a parasite does a host. Diversity from non-successful cultures can only make a country less successful not more, not to mention less pleasant and harmonious in general.
Well, let's take West Virginia as an example. Pretty homogenous. Also pretty economically depressed, too. Not surprisingly, it's not a magnet for people from other places to move to.

That pretty much refutes your ethnic purity thesis.
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Old Yesterday, 10:45 PM
 
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Well, let's take West Virginia as an example. Pretty homogenous. Also pretty economically depressed, too. Not surprisingly, it's not a magnet for people from other places to move to.

That pretty much refutes your ethnic purity thesis.
I never said there weren't a few less successful white communities and I never said anything about ethnic purity. I said increasing ethnic diversity in a white community especially from unsuccessful regions adds no benefit to the white community. Diversity just shows up and goes where white communities are already successful and would be better off without the diversity.
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Old Today, 12:23 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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I never said there weren't a few less successful white communities and I never said anything about ethnic purity. I said increasing ethnic diversity in a white community especially from unsuccessful regions adds no benefit to the white community. Diversity just shows up and goes where white communities are already successful and would be better off without the diversity.
Isee that you're backpedaling furiously like an NFL defensive back facing Tom Brady.

Well, that doesn't account for the fact that the Old Southern plantation system wouldn't be successful without the importation of African descended slaves to do the labor. Kind of an inconvenient truth to your ethnic purity theory.

The USA has always had diversity in its population. It's just that folks like you don't recognize that, don't want to recognize the contributions of people who weren't white males to society. And you're bent out of shape that history says otherwise.
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Old Today, 02:49 AM
 
Location: Heart of Arabia (No, not Dearborn)
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I was just in Hungary last October....simply fabulous country that I almost wanted to emirate to. They are still reeling a bit from their infestation with Communism but now it's great to be in Budapest.!
Many of the former soviet countries are great places, now that they are on the correct path after communism. It will take more time for these places to completely shed the vestiges of that oppressive system, but most of those countries are now on the correct trajectory, but not yet up to the higher conditions of many western European countries some of their people are emigrating into.

I lived and traveled extensively in the region myself for several years. In the Republic of Georgia, many people openly spoke of Germany as a place to go to for work, but would prefer to stay "home"if they could make better wages.

Having tight immigration standards may annoy the left, but Hungary can certianly choose their own path.

Other countries, such as extreme right wing Denmark, with their heavy welfare state systems in place also have issues with aging populations. Gotta have new workers to support the older ones.

Denmark decided to produce PSA's to address the problem.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE2YSYxMVyQ
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Old Today, 06:07 AM
 
Location: Washington State
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Many of the former soviet countries are great places, now that they are on the correct path after communism. It will take more time for these places to completely shed the vestiges of that oppressive system, but most of those countries are now on the correct trajectory, but not yet up to the higher conditions of many western European countries some of their people are emigrating into.

I lived and traveled extensively in the region myself for several years. In the Republic of Georgia, many people openly spoke of Germany as a place to go to for work, but would prefer to stay "home"if they could make better wages.

Having tight immigration standards may annoy the left, but Hungary can certianly choose their own path.

Other countries, such as extreme right wing Denmark, with their heavy welfare state systems in place also have issues with aging populations. Gotta have new workers to support the older ones.

Denmark decided to produce PSA's to address the problem.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE2YSYxMVyQ
I agree. I was working in Azerbaijian for most of last year and it also is a pretty nice country but I liked Tbilisi and Georgia better. Hungary is doing great and is on a great path, they will reach or possibly exceed western European countries at some point. As I mentioned, I was so impressed with Budapest that I would rank it at or near the to of the countries that I would consider moving to if I decided to leave USA.
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Old Today, 06:17 AM
 
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Why would Germany be a "disaster" because they have a minor right wing party? What parliamentary democracy doesn't have a right wing party? It isn't like they have a chance in hell of winning a Parliamentary majority; they're only popular in the "Alabama" of Germany; rural parts of the backward East.


OK, and? Germany has twice the immigration rate of the U.S., so I don't blame half of Germans for not wanting to increase it further (and I'm actually surprised half of Germans want even higher immigration). I don't want higher immigration either, doesn't mean Germany isn't a smashing success.


No. This is all 1000% wrong and proof you're being brainwashed. Germany has essentially zero unemployment and record-low crime. In fact they have a massive worker shortage.

As someone with dual U.S.-German citizenship, I have never seen a safer, happier, more prosperous Germany. I also find it hilarious that some Americans believe Germany is "unsafe", while living in a country where maniacs take loaded military weaponry to Walmart.
LOL. If you don't report the crimes of rapey migrants, that means they never happened.
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Old Today, 06:52 AM
 
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Many of the former soviet countries are great places, now that they are on the correct path after communism. It will take more time for these places to completely shed the vestiges of that oppressive system, but most of those countries are now on the correct trajectory, but not yet up to the higher conditions of many western European countries some of their people are emigrating into.

I lived and traveled extensively in the region myself for several years. In the Republic of Georgia, many people openly spoke of Germany as a place to go to for work, but would prefer to stay "home"if they could make better wages.

Having tight immigration standards may annoy the left, but Hungary can certianly choose their own path.

Other countries, such as extreme right wing Denmark, with their heavy welfare state systems in place also have issues with aging populations. Gotta have new workers to support the older ones.

Denmark decided to produce PSA's to address the problem.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE2YSYxMVyQ
That PSA really tickled my funny-bone. Thanks for posting it.

(I’m an American who lives in the U.S., but I’ve spent a fair amount of time in Denmark, have a number of Danish friends, and have a number of American friends who live in Denmark)
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Old Today, 06:57 AM
 
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I wonder why Hungary is not popular with humans? Why are so many leaving this new Right Wing Paradise and going to "liberal" EU countries?

"The country’s nativist prime minister, Viktor Orbán, said it was conceivable that Hungary, with a population of just under 10 million that is shrinking due to low birthrates and emigration of Hungarians to EU states further west, could simply disappear.

It’s not hard to imagine that there would be one single last man who has to turn the lights out,” he said at the opening of the conference on Thursday."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...gration-policy

It's sorta humorous that a government has to tell people to "make love" more often....as if people are going to accept the responsibility because some Right Wing Nut told them to?? Would you have kids if Trump told you to do so???

This sounds like old Mother Russia when she needed to make more cannon fodder.

Maybe he should force Hungarians not to leave for more liberal pastures?
Didn't Paul Ryan and Steve King tell us the same thing?
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