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Old Yesterday, 01:56 PM
 
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I am as serious as I can be. Mathematically or logically.....tell me how you turn an inequality into an equality without targeted discrimination? You cannot create equality from inequality by treating each side the same. If there is 10 on one side and 7 on the other side, allowing both sides to add the same amount will never close the gap.
You error is to expect and require equal group outcomes from different groups who have different abilities and inputs and efforts so they naturally have different outcomes.

Should we discriminate against black college athletes because of disparate outcome of there being an higher proportion of black athletes than white, Asian and Hispanic etc?

You don't want equal opportunity, you want equal or better than white outcomes for blacks, and that is anti-white racism.
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Old Yesterday, 02:07 PM
 
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You know what, you are right, it is detracting.
lol. after countless claims that it was not detracting, suddenly you have to admit it is. that's progress of a sort, i guess.

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No lies were thrown up.
ok. vomited up. barfed up. whichever you prefer.

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You seem to not understand the difference between a lie and something being unproven.
if it's not a lie why can you not even try to prove it? answer: because it is a lie.

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You dont help anyone by claiming you have never seen anyone on the right argue for segregation on this forum.
alrighty then. good thing i never claimed that, then. right?
but that's not what your initial claim was at all. your initial claim was that there were 'entire threads' here where conservatives clamor for black athletes to leave predominantly white schools. still waiting to see 'em.

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I didnt refuse to own anything.
lol. see below, 'democratic plantation.'

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Not once have I said "you personally said". I said people in this forum.
you used the word 'you.' who were you addressing, if not me? you didn't say 'people in this forum.'
your exact words: And yes, you are playing coy, "Democratic Plantation"
^ this is you refusing to own your own words^

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And no, whataboutism is not what I did yesterday. whataboutism is justification. I have never justified black segregation from either side.

it's very hard to argue about terms with someone who is so abjectly ignorant of the term in question. whattaboutism has nothing to do with 'justification':


whataboutism.

[ˌ(h)wədəˈboudizəm

NOUN

BRITISH

the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue.


here's another from wikipedia:

Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument, which in the United States is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda.

^exactly what you're doing. you're not even addressing the point made in the OP
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Old Yesterday, 02:28 PM
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Maybe there not.....but it's clear that anyone who believes that, without having positive proof, is a racist.
That is objectively false. Different doesn't mean inherently better or worse.
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Old Yesterday, 02:35 PM
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I legitimately can not tell if this is a troll account or not. If this person is serious they need to seek psychiatric help immediately.
its a real person and yes he/she does. in a post he once said living with people is like living with radiation.
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Old Yesterday, 02:37 PM
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You cannot undo the damage of systemic racism against blacks....without systemic racism that is for blacks.


Again, inequalities CANNOT be resolved through equal treatment. Equal treatment would have prevented the inequalities....but it cannot help undo what has already been done.....just mitigate it getting worse. Inequalities can ONLY be resolved through discrimination.
This is your problem in a nutshell. You, nor anyone else, can undo the past. The best we can do is learn from it and move on.
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Old Yesterday, 02:49 PM
 
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This is your problem in a nutshell. You, nor anyone else, can undo the past. The best we can do is learn from it and move on.
It's the classic two wrongs don't make a right deal.
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Old Yesterday, 04:23 PM
 
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You error is to expect and require equal group outcomes from different groups who have different abilities and inputs and efforts so they naturally have different outcomes.

Should we discriminate against black college athletes because of disparate outcome of there being an higher proportion of black athletes than white, Asian and Hispanic etc?

You don't want equal opportunity, you want equal or better than white outcomes for blacks, and that is anti-white racism.

We have already established that you believe that blacks are an inferior race. Once we get to the root of each persons beliefs.....game is over. There is nothing left to hash out. Opinions and beliefs are not going to be changed from an internet discussion. My goal is to simply bring out a persons core beliefs on the matter. Yours is clear now.

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Old Yesterday, 04:25 PM
 
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This is your problem in a nutshell. You, nor anyone else, can undo the past. The best we can do is learn from it and move on.

So if a person was shot yesterday.....there is no need for surgery to try to repair what was damaged in the past? The best he can do is learn to avoid the situation that led up to him being shot?
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Old Yesterday, 04:33 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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So if a person was shot yesterday.....there is no need for surgery to try to repair what was damaged in the past? The best he can do is learn to avoid the situation that led up to him being shot?
LOL, jeezus, what a silly analogy.
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Old Yesterday, 04:53 PM
 
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We have already established that you believe that blacks are an inferior race. Once we get to the root of each persons beliefs.....game is over. There is nothing left to hash out. Opinions and beliefs are not going to be changed from an internet discussion. My goal is to simply bring out a persons core beliefs on the matter. Yours is clear now.
No you established you believe whites are a morally and ethically inferior race and you want to discriminate against them.

I simply believe that groups are not identical and so it is expected they will have different group outcomes. Some things blacks are better at like running, jumping, boxing, shooting hoops, being aggressive and being disorderly etc and some things whites or Asians are better at swimming, wrestling, strongest man contests, technology, being less aggressive and being orderly etc.
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