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Old Yesterday, 04:02 PM
 
Location: SM
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Only State agents, especially cops, should have guns.
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Old Yesterday, 04:10 PM
 
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Completely agree. Advanced tactical training like the military gets makes one feel more comfortable in high pressure scenarios which leads to calmer decision making and less trigger happy mistakes.

I'm simply pointing out that the training most police receive focuses more on tactical stuff and less on negotiation/deescalation, etc. Most of the mistakes police make involved the "I was scared for my life" type of excuse where the officer felt like pulling the trigger was his only choice. We need to increase the training for other types of conflict resolution to give them more and better choices.
Um, what?

Military people, especially ground combat troops, are more likely to inflict collateral damage with trigger happy fingers than cops. It doesn't help that they are all equipped with mass-casualty producing weapon of war.


Cops are armed with handguns. If they are lucky and have time to prepare, they might get to deploy their rifle or shotgun.


But what do i know?
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Old Yesterday, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Marquette, Mich
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKyEohJ6v7g




The corruption comes on fast and embeds itself deep, with a badge & a gun.
And it is these people, you only want to have guns.

False equivalency. There are more cops than mass shooters; a higher proportion of mass shooter victims are innocent bystanders; a higher proportion of victims of police shootings are criminals being pursued. C'mon, at least try.
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Old Yesterday, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA (Sandy Springs)
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Um, what?

Military people, especially ground combat troops, are more likely to inflict collateral damage with trigger happy fingers than cops. It doesn't help that they are all equipped with mass-casualty producing weapon of war.


Cops are armed with handguns. If they are lucky and have time to prepare, they might get to deploy their rifle or shotgun.


But what do i know?
Um what?

I wasn’t referring to ground combat troops, I was referring to exactly what you referenced in your original post, cops who have received military level tactical training (which is much more comprehensive than standard police training).

It’s the basic principle of, when you are capable of more, you are more comfortable using less.
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Old Yesterday, 04:24 PM
 
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False equivalency. There are more cops than mass shooters; a higher proportion of mass shooter victims are innocent bystanders; a higher proportion of victims of police shootings are criminals being pursued. C'mon, at least try.
Not a fan of aggressive policing, the thin blue line, and the us vs them mentality of too many cops, but obviously the ops statistical argument has a plethora of holes in it.
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Old Yesterday, 04:25 PM
 
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Um what?

I wasnít referring to ground combat troops, I was referring to exactly what you referenced in your original post, cops who have received military level tactical training (which is much more comprehensive than standard police training).

Itís the basic principle of, when you are capable of more, you are more comfortable using less.
I spent 6 months in the police academy + qualify with my handgun 4 times a year

I spent 14 weeks for infantry OSUT (it's 22 weeks now) + qualify with my rifle once a year

Also, a lot of cops are veterans like myself.
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Old Today, 09:16 AM
 
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That's good news for me; If I have an encounter with a LEO I'll be cooperative and the encounter will end peacefully. The far majority of those killed by LEOs would still be alive to day if they had simply cooperated with commands.
Are you a citizen or a subject?


Where would we be today as a society if all the black people in the south had just obeyed and complied with law enforcement in the south, decades ago? If Rosa Parks had simply moved to the back of the bus when police instructed her to do?


Today, Rosa parks is celebrated as a hero and patriot for refusing to comply.
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Old Today, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Are you a citizen or a subject?


Where would we be today as a society if all the black people in the south had just obeyed and complied with law enforcement in the south, decades ago? If Rosa Parks had simply moved to the back of the bus when police instructed her to do?


Today, Rosa parks is celebrated as a hero and patriot for refusing to comply.
Go ahead and be the dead hero who didn't comply. These cops are trigger-happy and aggressive. I'll pass.

Having said that, not everyone who ends up murdered by a cop is dead because they didn't comply. That's b.s.
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Old Today, 10:07 AM
 
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Go ahead and be the dead hero who didn't comply. These cops are trigger-happy and aggressive. I'll pass.

Having said that, not everyone who ends up murdered by a cop is dead because they didn't comply. That's b.s.
Obedience and compliance are not the American way, heck, we became a free and separate nation due to a bunch of people REFUSING TO COMPLY and even resorting to violence, destruction of property, etc, etc.!
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