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Old Today, 12:02 PM
 
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wtf? why are they doing this?

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According to a court order filed by the Department of Justice (DOJ) on September 5, investigators want information on users of Obsidian 4, a tool used to control rifle scopes made by night-vision specialist American Technologies Network Corp. The app allows gun owners to get a live stream, take video and calibrate their gun scope from an Android or iPhone device. According to the Google Play page for Obsidian 4, it has more than 10,000 downloads. Apple doesn’t provide download numbers, so it’s unclear how many iPhone owners have been swept up in this latest government data grab.

If Apple and Google decide to hand over the information, it could include data on thousands of people who have nothing to do with the crimes being investigated, privacy activists warned. Edin Omanovic, lead on Privacy International's State Surveillance program, said the order would set a dangerous precedent and scoop up “huge amounts of innocent people’s personal data.”

Apple and Google have been told to hand over not just the names of anyone who downloaded the scope app from August 1, 2017 to the current date, but their telephone numbers and IP addresses too, which could be used to determine the location of the user. The government also wants to know when users were operating the app.
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Old Today, 12:19 PM
 
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Good thing I calibrate the scopes on my sniper rifles the old fashioned way, borescoping and using paper targets.
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Old Today, 12:21 PM
 
Location: SM
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Drip, drip, drip...
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Old Today, 12:27 PM
 
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And people wonder why others don't trust the government. It's just metadata after all.

Some would be totally fine with a scoop up of all firearm owner data if it were possible. Thing is, what's to stop them from scooping up the data of everyone who uses Google Maps or any other supposedly innocuous app?
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Old Today, 12:38 PM
 
Location: NJ
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wtf? why are they doing this?
the significance of the attempt to over throw trump is exactly what this is. Innocent persons now in the sights of federal agencies under false pretenses. show me the man, I'll show you the crime.


the feds under Obama refused to look at internet postings......


2015 US Policy Blocks Agents From Looking at Social Media of Visa Applicants, Former Official Says.....


The State Department today said that “obviously things went wrong” in the visa background check for one of the San Bernardino shooters --
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Old Today, 12:44 PM
 
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Add a remote trigger mechanism (simple r/c motor and battery would do to pull a trigger from over a mile away) and you have a instant remote sniper perch.


I assume that is the concern which I understand. Personally I don't believe taking everyone's name from the APP is useful or should be lawful if no one has used it for an illegal act or the app maker is not promoting its use for some negative action.
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Old Today, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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wtf? why are they doing this?
To protect American citizens, of course.
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Old Today, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte, FL - Pasadena, People's Republic of Maryland
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"... there are more instances of the abridgment of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." James Madison
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Old Today, 04:03 PM
 
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Lots of people love Trump’s big government expansionism until they don’t.
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Old Today, 05:34 PM
 
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DOJ is suing car makers trying to force them into making worse cars. This stuff is par for the course.

Don't ever try to make sense of Trump. Since the maker of this app probably doesn't pay dues to the NRA, they are probably a stand-in target so DOJ can say they are doing stuff.
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