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Old 09-08-2019, 05:03 PM
 
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Where is your proof? I’ve been asking repeatedly and you can’t provide squat. Stop lying.
Where is your proof that CVTs are more reliable than conventional automatics? Where is your proof that direct injection is more reliable and cost less to manufacture? Or that 1.5 turbo motor is more reliable and economical to manufacture than a 2.5 NA motor? The larger NA motor has better drivability too.

What your claiming is implausible. Automotive design is a trade off and compromises. There is no free lunch. The government is encouraging and requiring everything be traded off and compromised for the smallest of fuel economy increases in their driving cycle fuel mileage lab test.
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Old 09-08-2019, 05:07 PM
 
Location: AZ
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Where is your proof that CVTs are more reliable than conventional automatics? Where is your proof that direct injection is more reliable and cost less to manufacture? Or that 1.5 turbo motor is more reliable and economical to manufacture than a 2.5 NA motor? The larger NA motor has better drivability too.

What your claiming is implausible. Automotive design is a trade off and compromises. There is no free lunch. The government is encouraging and requiring everything be traded off and compromised for the smallest of fuel economy increases in their driving cycle fuel mileage lab test.
Iíve been repeatedly asking you to prove the statements WHICH YOU ORIGINALLY MADE.

You cannot, and instead, insist on repeating a bunch of unfounded nonsense.

Stop lying.
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Old 09-08-2019, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Sounds like California is usurping federal law.

Thatís a nono.
Indeed. They're trying to make their own standards, that's not the way it works. Commiefornia should NEVER have been given an exemption. More snowflakes fell into line behind them. Some things are federal control, some are not. This is federal.

Obama jump-started the new regs, that was supposed to happen sometime into the next president's term but Obama, like DACA, made his own rules.

Trump has a pen and a phone too. And no court has the real authority to countermand an executive action which reverses another executive action by another executive. That is executive branch stuff, NOT judicial.
Courts have gone too far, this was nothing like our Founders' intent. Nothing.
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Old 09-08-2019, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Indeed. They're trying to make their own standards, that's not the way it works. Commiefornia should NEVER have been given an exemption. More snowflakes fell into line behind them. Some things are federal control, some are not. This is federal.

Obama jump-started the new regs, that was supposed to happen sometime into the next president's term but Obama, like DACA, made his own rules.

Trump has a pen and a phone too. And no court has the real authority to countermand an executive action which reverses another executive action by another executive. That is executive branch stuff, NOT judicial.
Courts have gone too far, this was nothing like our Founders' intent. Nothing.
Yes that is how it works, the courts have already ruled that CA can set their own standard decades ago and several states are suing to do the same. He isnít changing this by XO, thatís absurd. He can either call off his DOJ watch dog or battle it out in court for the next year.
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Old 09-08-2019, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Where is your proof that CVTs are more reliable than conventional automatics? Where is your proof that direct injection is more reliable and cost less to manufacture? Or that 1.5 turbo motor is more reliable and economical to manufacture than a 2.5 NA motor? The larger NA motor has better drivability too.

What your claiming is implausible. Automotive design is a trade off and compromises. There is no free lunch. The government is encouraging and requiring everything be traded off and compromised for the smallest of fuel economy increases in their driving cycle fuel mileage lab test.
Surely you have a source to back up your opinion, why not just provide it rather than this diversion. Just answer the question.
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Old 09-08-2019, 05:43 PM
 
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Surely you have a source to back up your opinion, why not just provide it rather than this diversion. Just answer the question.
There's plenty of sources that talk about problems with CVTs, direct injection etc. When an automaker switches a design for fuel economy they are not going to publish the warranty rate increase. You are asking for something you know doesn't really exist, just as there is no real data showing systems that improve fuel mileage improve reliability etc.
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Old 09-08-2019, 05:44 PM
 
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Old 09-08-2019, 05:54 PM
 
Location: AZ
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Surely you have a source to back up your opinion, why not just provide it rather than this diversion. Just answer the question.
Youíre preaching to the choir; he has zero proof and believes that repeating the same tripe makes up for it.
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Old 09-08-2019, 07:07 PM
 
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You can claim whatever you want but I do not want electrical power steering and many other people do not either or wouldn't if they knew the difference. It sucks and all cars have it now to get maybe 1 MPG. To get any road feel and feedback at all the electric motor has to be undersized and loss of assist and crashes have even happened in high speed testing. Another thing often times you can feel the electric motor applying torque off and on and causing instability while cruising the interstate. It's just garbage.
Just so everyone is aware of the discussion points here:

> Electric Steering uses up to 90% less energy than hydraulic steering.
> Electric Steering is more reliable due to fewer moving parts.
> Electric Steering doesn't provide the same feedback as hydraulic steering.

source: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/p...s-to-electric/

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Old 09-08-2019, 07:12 PM
 
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Most people who repair transmissions have a very negative opinion of CVTs not to mention car enthusiasts don't like them.
Surely CVTs has issues early on. But now they're as reliable as automatic transmissions. In the case of the Toyota Prius, significantly more reliable than a standard or automatic transmission.

Automakers will still make cars that target car enthusiasts. My Stingray has an 8-speed automatic and that's not going anywhere... but it also has electric steering that's tuned for precision.

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