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Old 09-08-2019, 07:13 PM
 
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CVTs do suck. Which is why itís important to vote with your wallet and get a stick, torque converter auto, or dual clutch instead.
Everyone is titled to an opinion and, just like you, I encourage people to vote with their wallet when purchasing anything. The Toyota Prius is a good example. While having a CVT, is doing very well in the market due to fuel economy and reliability.
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Old 09-08-2019, 07:15 PM
 
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Didnít read all of the comments, but what is stopping any automaker from building more efficient vehicles if they so desire??
Nothing.
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Old 09-08-2019, 07:17 PM
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Location: Florida/Tennessee
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This is what we get having a member of the denialist movement in the WH. We need to correct that.
Maybe Stacey "The Denier" Abrams should enter the race for president... right?
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Old 09-08-2019, 07:20 PM
 
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What I'm saying none of the recent things intended to improve mileage increased reliability or lowered vehicle costs. Vehicles would be more reliable and have better drivability than now with the pre-2012 type designs. You can google the problems with CVTs, direct injection, throttle by wire, cylinder deactivation systems, turbo system failures, close coupled catylist destroying motors etc.
This is not true.

For example, the Pruis CVT is more reliable than automatic transmissions. Electric steering is more reliable than hydraulic steering.
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Old 09-08-2019, 07:33 PM
 
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No one will rebuild the CVT when it eventually fails and the hybrid battery packs are very expensive to replace.
The thing is that the Toyota Prius CVT and hybrid battery typically outlast the rest of the car.
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Old 09-08-2019, 07:36 PM
 
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Where is your proof that CVTs are more reliable than conventional automatics?
Not all CVTs are, but the previous poster mentioned that the Toyota Prius CVT is more reliable than automatics. Sure, most CVTs are not as reliable as the Toyota Prius CVT... and now have the same reliability as your typical automatic transmission. But the Toyota Prius CVT has outlasted the others. You may want to talk to any car enthusiast about this. It's pretty well known information to those in the industry.
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Old 09-08-2019, 07:42 PM
 
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Just so everyone is aware of the discussion points here:

> Electric Steering uses up to 90% less energy than hydraulic steering.
> Electric Steering is more reliable due to fewer moving parts.
> Electric Steering doesn't provide the same feedback as hydraulic steering.

source: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/p...s-to-electric/
I don't agree electric steering really has fewer moving parts. It has an electric motor and sometimes belt and an extra gearset , and hydraulic steering has a belt driven pump so it's about equal in moving parts. It probably can be as or more reliable, but wasn't always initially and does cost more. The lack of road feel and feedback is what I dislike the most about it. It's ridiculous that electric steering is even on expensive enthusiast's car models.
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Old 09-08-2019, 07:45 PM
 
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The thing is that the Toyota Prius CVT and hybrid battery typically outlast the rest of the car.
Prius do have transmission problems problems too, but I don't think the transmission is really a CVT. The life of the car is often times the life of the transmission or battery pack.
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Old 09-08-2019, 07:49 PM
 
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Prius do have CVT problems too. The life of the car is often times the life of the transmission or battery pack.
Of course they do. Just much much less frequently than your typical automatic transmission. The battery pack is rarely the reason why the Prius hits EOL.
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Old 09-08-2019, 07:50 PM
 
Location: AZ
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Prius do have CVT problems too. The life of the car is often times the life of the transmission or battery pack.
The average, maintained, Prius will do 250-400k on itís original battery and transmission.

You donít have a foot to stand on.
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