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Old 09-06-2019, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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No, i donít want California standards forced on me. I donít want their power sapping garbage installed on my motor.
California has an exemption under the clean air act, maybe you should consider moving. Several other states are attempting to follow the Obama standards, this attempt by the DOJ to force more polluting standards is absurd. When the major car companies agree with California they should take a step back.
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Old 09-06-2019, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA (Sandy Springs)
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This is ultimately what its coming down to. Federal law is supreme to state law and California isn't free to regulate on this issue where the federal government has taken charge.
CA didnít regulate anything.

A regulation is a rule a government tells private industry they must follow.

One more time, this was the automakers voluntarily agreeing to hold themselves to a higher standard than the federal one, in an effort to reduce emissions.

People in the denialist movement donít accept the facts of why reducing emissions is a good idea, and the fed gov is basically saying here that they donít want to allow the automakers to voluntarily meet a higher standard, which is absurd.
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Old 09-06-2019, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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#fakenews nobody is suing anyone and this was already discussed a while back. Why should CA determine the regs on vehicles for the entire nation? Anything that has CA regs built into it is all gummed up with gadgets and other junk that kill performance.
They didnít. They set standards for their state. You know- states rights and all. Or has this once stalwart conservative principle been tossed aside like fiscal responsibility and moral standards have?

The companies decided to follow CA standards, not the federal standard. Thatís their corporate decision and their Ďrightí.

Buy another manufacturers vehicle if you donít like it *shrugs*.
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Old 09-06-2019, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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Well California always has the option to just implement the more stringent Obama era standards and drop this deal with the auto makers. That way there's no perception of antitrust, and we'll have even less pollution. California is a massive market, so there's no way the auto companies can just ignore them.

Funny seeing the Republicans oppose states rights though. Seems a bit out of character for them. States rights, but only when it suits us.
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Old 09-06-2019, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA (Sandy Springs)
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Well California always has the option to just implement the more stringent Obama era standards and drop this deal with the auto makers. That way there's no perception of antitrust, and we'll have even less pollution. California is a massive market, so there's no way the auto companies can just ignore them.

Funny seeing the Republicans oppose states rights though. Seems a bit out of character for them. States rights, but only when it suits us.
This is more than opposing states rights.

It's also opposing the free market rights of a corporation to choose to make a business decision based partly on environmental impact.
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Old 09-06-2019, 02:02 PM
 
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These higher gas mileage, lower emission cars are more expensive, more complicated, and have worse drivability. Of course automakers want to make more expensive cars that can't be feasibly repaired as they age and have to replaced. Automakers couldn't care less about emissions and gas mileage.
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Old 09-06-2019, 02:04 PM
 
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Am I reading this right?! Trump's DOJ is filing suit against automakers for wanting to make cars MORE energy efficient?


IS THERE A SINGLE TRUMP SUPPORTER THAT HAS THE HUMILITY TO ADMIT THIS IS ABOSLUTE MADNESS?!


What -- does Trump's DOJ prefer MORE pollution via automobiles?!
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Old 09-06-2019, 02:05 PM
 
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California has an exemption under the clean air act, maybe you should consider moving. Several other states are attempting to follow the Obama standards, this attempt by the DOJ to force more polluting standards is absurd. When the major car companies agree with California they should take a step back.
Not a chance this side of hell.
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Old 09-06-2019, 02:13 PM
 
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Don the Con has to keep his end of the corruption with his oil, energy, and coal buddies. It's a similar scam that he is trying to pull with the light bulb regulations. Trump really needs to be impeached for using the DOJ against the auto industry, social media platforms, and the FBI etc to serve at his corrupt whim.
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Old 09-06-2019, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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This is more than opposing states rights.

It's also opposing the free market rights of a corporation to choose to make a business decision based partly on environmental impact.
California has the right to set a higher standard due to their exemption, everything was fine until Trump rolled back the Obama standards. Car companies actually wanted the standards relaxed, not entirely cancelled. They did not want to end up with two sets of standards, one for CA and the other states that were suing and the rest of the nation.


Plenty of good reasons for increased mileage requirements event if you don't believe in climate change, less pollution, more energy independence.


Every industry is subject to regulation, do you believe removing lead from the air should have been a free market decision.
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