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Old 09-06-2019, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA (Sandy Springs)
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non-CA vehicles
This is where your misunderstanding is. There’s no such thing as a CA vehicle or a non-CA vehicle. The auto manufacturers don’t want to have to make different sets of their cars, it’s their choice to just build to one standard for simplicity.

You’re basically saying the fact that a business doesn’t have a certain product line violates your rights; which is pathetic and just as absurd as the extreme left SJW outrage pity party is.
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Old 09-06-2019, 06:20 PM
 
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You can't have states with different automotive emissions, fuel mileage or safety standards because it would affect interstate commerce.
You realize they are building for global standards these days right? Want to be able to sell everywhere. That means building to the highest standard, not the lowest.
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Old 09-06-2019, 06:22 PM
 
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This is where your misunderstanding is. There’s no such thing as a CA vehicle or a non-CA vehicle. The auto manufacturers don’t want to have to make different sets of their cars, it’s their choice to just build to one standard for simplicity.

You’re basically saying the fact that a business doesn’t have a certain product line violates your rights; which is pathetic and just as absurd as the extreme left SJW outrage pity party is.
That one standard should be the federal standard. CA shouldn't decide the standard to which vehicles will be built for the entire country. That is affecting interstate commerce-making cars more expensive, less reliable and less desirable.
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Old 09-06-2019, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA (Sandy Springs)
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That one standard should be the federal standard. CA shouldn't decide the standard to which vehicles will be built for the entire country. That is affecting interstate commerce-making cars more expensive, less reliable and less desirable.
So basically you hate federalism and our system of government and want the fed to take even more power from the states. Thatís fine, but donít call that conservative.
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Old 09-06-2019, 06:26 PM
 
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You realize they are building for global standards these days right? Want to be able to sell everywhere. That means building to the highest standard, not the lowest.
There are not much global standards that are the same. Vehicles in Europe and Asia are quite different from North America. You seem to be under the impression that higher emissions and mileage standard produce a better car. It does not. Anyway the best way to do common standards is to only have federal standards and drop CARB.
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Old 09-06-2019, 06:26 PM
 
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That one standard should be the federal standard. CA shouldn't decide the standard to which vehicles will be built for the entire country. That is affecting interstate commerce-making cars more expensive, less reliable and less desirable.
We’ve had higher CA standards and fed standards co-existing for a long time. Manufacturers have built both side by side with no appreciable difference in cost, reliability, or desirability between the two.
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Old 09-06-2019, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA (Sandy Springs)
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There are not much global standards that are the same. Vehicles in Europe and Asia are quite different from North America. You seem to be under the impression that higher emissions and mileage standard produce a better car. It does not.
Didnít say it did. But itís necessary until we can transition off of internal combustion engines.

When people move over to electric that problem wonít exist anymore since the cars donít need any emissions equipment.
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Old 09-06-2019, 06:28 PM
 
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So basically you hate federalism and our system of government and want the fed to take even more power from the states. Thatís fine, but donít call that conservative.
No I'm saying California is not the federal government though it tries to play as it is.
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Old 09-06-2019, 06:30 PM
 
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Weíve had higher CA standards and fed standards co-existing for a long time. Manufacturers have built both side by side with no appreciable difference in cost, reliability, or desirability between the two.



That's not true. No self respecting car guy would want a CARB standards vehicle over a Federal vehicle.
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Old 09-06-2019, 06:32 PM
 
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Horse****. The automakers voluntarily set a goal to meet a standard less than the previous one established under Obama.

Trump is now demanding they pollute more.

Since you are a member of the denialist movement of course you would want that too.

As a group they have decided to sell a much more expensive product to the entire country. You can't do that.
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