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No I'm saying California is not the federal government though it tries to play as it is.
Again this was a voluntary agreement on the set of these automakers.
What you are saying is that you want the feds to come in and prevent private businesses from designing their own product to a higher standard. How the hell do you justify that? Don’t like it, don’t buy from those makers. Vote with your wallet like a good capitalist, don’t whine to the government like a communist.
Again this was a voluntary agreement on the set of these automakers.
What you are saying is that you want the feds to come in and prevent private businesses from designing their own product to a higher standard. How the hell do you justify that? Don’t like it, don’t buy from those makers. Vote with your wallet like a good capitalist, don’t whine to the government like a communist.
Again this was a voluntary agreement on the set of these automakers.
That is exactly the issue because they did it as a group and decided to sell a much more expensive product. That runs afoul of anti-competitive laws. Had they decided to only make cars that meet federal standards as a group they would still be in the same boat. Get it?
You first say we long had in the past those two standards with cars that met and didn't meet CARB then switched to 2020. Of course there is no difference when all cars are meeting the CARB standards, but if they weren't there could be differences.
Forcing car makers to make LESS SAFE cars because they have to be TOO LIGHT to meet artificial GOVERNMENT standards is MORONIC. If the market wants higher MPG they will demand it through their purchasing dollars. What are they actually BUYING? Large SUV's, and Trucks. So the market is telling them what they want.
You first say we long had in the past those two standards with cars that met and didn't meet CARB then switched to 2020. Of course there is no difference when all cars are meeting the CARB standards, but if they weren't there could be differences.
OK, specific but still relatively modern example. Our old 2009 RAV4 V6 came in CA and Federal versions. There was no appreciable difference in price or performance between the two. Why not?
This is a perfect storm to enrage the snowflakes. It involves the business community, greener regulations, and California outsmarting trump. I love it.
Forcing car makers to make LESS SAFE cars because they have to be TOO LIGHT to meet artificial GOVERNMENT standards is MORONIC. If the market wants higher MPG they will demand it through their purchasing dollars. What are they actually BUYING? Large SUV's, and Trucks. So the market is telling them what they want.
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What part of voluntary is forcing exactly?
Are Ford, Honda, Volkswagen and BMW the only makes out there?
Too light??? Cars are heavier than ever. Used to be that anything over 3,000lbs was considered a fat pig. Now even compacts are well over that.
I blame California for trying to dictate to a manufacturer what to build that could impact people in other states.
Its not just CA, 16 other states. The current EPA just indiscriminately threw out the analysis by the prior administration. Their selling point was that lighter vehicles would result in more fatalities is laughable.
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