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Old 09-07-2019, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Originally Posted by craigiri View Post
You really couldn't make this stuff up......
And yet you made things up.

The U.S. Justice Department is investigating...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKCN1VR1WG


Which part of "investigating" do you not understand?

You totally fabricated the thread title and thread.

The antitrust division’s chief, Makan Delrahim, sent Aug. 28 letters to the four automakers saying the government was concerned the agreement “may violate federal antitrust laws” but adding it had “reached no conclusions,” according to documents seen by Reuters.

Additionally, the Constitution's Commerce Clause is designed to prevent one State from dictating what other States must do commercially.
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Old 09-07-2019, 02:23 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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No, i don’t want California standards forced on me. I don’t want their power sapping garbage installed on my motor.
Maybe its time to join the modern era? 50 state cars have been around since the 1980's and todays cars have far more power and better gas mileage. Maybe say "Thanks California"?
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Old 09-07-2019, 02:30 PM
 
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You really couldn't make this stuff up......

We all know Trump wants to use more fossil fuels and pollute more, but trying to use the DJI - which has better things to do - to work against cleaner air, more efficiency and more MPG???? His "opposite world" EPA is chiming in too.....they want to do the opposite of what they exist for!

Even "conservatives" can't be buying this nonsense? Doesn't "conservatism" come from "conserve"?

Cars are long term investments and rollbacks can sentence people far into the future on spending more money for fuel than they need to.

https://beta.washingtonpost.com/clim...54a_story.html
Doesn't fit with Trump's narrative. Crazy.
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Old 09-07-2019, 02:31 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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But those improvements and drivability, durability and affordability is better, and mostly often separate from, without increasingly stringent emissions and fuel mileage requirements. Higher fuel efficiency vehicles cost more and have more reliability and drivability problems than they would without high fuel mileage designs. For the most part early 1990s was peak technology in terms cost, reliability and drivability.
Laugh.... did you just make that up?
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Old 09-07-2019, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Florida
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We all know this is not about anti-trust laws--it is about Trump's fragile ego, oil industry profits and getting childish revenge on California. That's it. We are paying for this crap, and the DOJ is being used to intimidate and threaten anyone and any entity that displeases the mad king. Trump's original edict for less efficient cars was orchestrated by the oil industry.

What a-hole leader forces companies to spew more pollution and force consumers to pay more for fuel? An insane leader abusing his power because he longs to be a dictator.

"...The news coincides with arguments held Friday morning at the U.S. Court of Appeals in the District of Columbia over whether the Trump administration can reopen — and roll back — fuel efficiency standards the Obama administration set for model years 2022 through 2025. Environmental groups and states argue that the Trump administration has not done the technical research needed to make its own findings regarding the regulations..."

...“Given that California has the legal authority to create emissions rules that are stricter than federal rules, this case doesn’t make any sense,”.....an environmental perspective, this move seems designed to intimidate California and the automakers that signed onto the deal.... legal experts and people close to the Trump administration agreed that the investigation was meant as a show of force to companies that have displeased the president....

....“These are four car companies standing in the way of something the president wants to do.... “Now the enormous prosecutorial power of the federal government is brought to bear against them. This should make any large companies very nervous.”

"...He said the Justice Department investigation was surprising because the agreement between California and the auto companies has not yet been signed or legally formalized. “It is extremely unusual for a prosecutor to investigate a deal that hasn’t even been signed,” Mr. Revesz said...."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/clima...54a_story.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/06/c...antitrust.html
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Old 09-07-2019, 03:08 PM
 
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#fakenews nobody is suing anyone and this was already discussed a while back. Why should CA determine the regs on vehicles for the entire nation? Anything that has CA regs built into it is all gummed up with gadgets and other junk that kill performance.
What's wrong with really expensive cars that a large percentage of our country wouldn't be able to afford to purchase or maintain?

The DNC is very concerned with keeping poor people poor and hopeless. Limiting their options by forcing them to rely on public transportation keeps them poor as well as contained.
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Old 09-07-2019, 03:36 PM
 
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Laugh.... did you just make that up?
No, in the quest to meet ever increasing EPA and CARB emissions and CAFE fuel economy requirements and also safety requirements, vehicles' affordability, durability and repairability, reliability, drivability and desirability is taking a decline from where it would be without increasingly stringent gas mileage and emissions requirements. Vehicles manufactured before about 2012 and Obama and CARB meddling are better in those respects than later models. The late model's platform or chassis may somewhat be improved, but to meet the emissions and fuel mileage standards those factors mentioned and the car overall is not an improvement.
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Old 09-07-2019, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by Mircea View Post
And yet you made things up.

The U.S. Justice Department is investigating...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKCN1VR1WG


Which part of "investigating" do you not understand?

You totally fabricated the thread title and thread.

The antitrust division’s chief, Makan Delrahim, sent Aug. 28 letters to the four automakers saying the government was concerned the agreement “may violate federal antitrust laws” but adding it had “reached no conclusions,” according to documents seen by Reuters.

Additionally, the Constitution's Commerce Clause is designed to prevent one State from dictating what other States must do commercially.
The DOJ is using the antitrust provision to go after the auto manufacturers because Trump threw a fit that they worked out a compromise, they were already able to scare off Mercedes with the threat. This is total nonsense, how about they go after someone more meaningful like the Sprint - T Mobile merger. The car companies and CA worked out compromise that benefit everyone and then the DOJ comes along with a total misuse of power.
So what happens if the car companies back off, the lawsuit by CA and the other states still stands and this goes no where and they are stuck with two standards. Trump can demonstrate the reason he rolled back Obama’s standards, so far he has nothing to back his decision.
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Old 09-07-2019, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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No, in the quest to meet ever increasing EPA and CARB emissions and CAFE fuel economy requirements and also safety requirements, vehicles' affordability, durability and repairability, reliability, drivability and desirability is taking a decline from where it would be without increasingly stringent gas mileage and emissions requirements. Vehicles manufactured before about 2012 and Obama and CARB meddling are better in those respects than later models. The late model's platform or chassis may somewhat be improved, but to meet the emissions and fuel mileage standards those factors mentioned and the car overall is not an improvement.
Sure we heard that same argument from the car manufacturers back in 2010, they wanted to continue to make a lousy product.
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Old 09-07-2019, 04:06 PM
 
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Sure we heard that same argument from the car manufacturers back in 2010, they wanted to continue to make a lousy product.
A lot of 2010s are a better product than many 2013 up Obamobiles with poor drivability, gunked up engines and failing transmissions all to get a couple measly mpgs..
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