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Old Yesterday, 08:03 PM
 
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It's interesting that you believe an inanimate object makes people suicidal.
The use of suicide by guns shouldn’t be just dismissed, plenty of ways to commit suicide but recidivism rates are very low after the first attempt. We should not just accept this as something we just pass off, we shouldn’t make it easier.
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Old Yesterday, 08:06 PM
 
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I'd ban them.
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Old Yesterday, 08:10 PM
 
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I'd ban them.
All of the amendments?
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Old Yesterday, 08:14 PM
 
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All of the amendments?
Freedom really is overrated.
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Old Yesterday, 10:21 PM
 
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Substitute "just in case I need to shoot someone to stop them from breaking into my house and raping my wife"
Now does it make sense? Or still no?
Just in case?

You have a better chance of getting killed by lightning. What's with the fear factor?

What if it's your son or daughter coming home late, and you think it's an intruder?

Like these fathers:

https://www.kptv.com/news/aloha-man-...27b5c0077.html

https://www.thestate.com/news/local/...230586039.html

https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/...ruder-1671659/

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...icle-1.2494968

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...police-n495111

https://abcnews.go.com/US/father-fat...ry?id=48414190

So, just in case didn't work out that well for those children killed or injured, did it?
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Old Yesterday, 10:29 PM
 
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If you think that muzzle loaders are good for protection, you don't know much about guns.
And I would like to see you face a feral hog with a muzzle loader. They almost never come down with one shot. I own a rifle and a pistol that are muzzle loaders. I have shot them. They were okay if you were only facing other muzzle loaders and only one person.
I have several muzzle loader pistols, The single 50 cal round ball could kill a horse if you dont miss , Better to be careful and not blow your own head off with the thing,,,,I love the smell of real black powder and the big puff of smoke with fire coming from the barrel .
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Old Today, 05:56 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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The use of suicide by guns shouldn’t be just dismissed, plenty of ways to commit suicide but recidivism rates are very low after the first attempt. We should not just accept this as something we just pass off, we shouldn’t make it easier.
That generally depends on the sex of the person. The saying is that women attempt suicide more than once.....but men are more successful at it.

Women tend not to use the violent (and probably surer) methods that men do. Women often use pills or slicing the wrists or perhaps gas. For men, it is guns, high speed auto crashes, jumping, or suicide by cop.

Finally, here is that angle that if it can be shown to be suicide, the life insurance won't pay off. So while taking one's head off with a shot gun is pretty hard to deny as suicide, an auto or airplane crash is debatable. While I have not seen a case of it being intentional, I must admit that someone who offs themselves with autoerotic asphyxiation would have an excellent accidental death to present to the insurance company........assuming, of course, that whoever finds them doesn't clean up the humiliating scene.

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They're going to do it anyway. Guns provide a quick and fool proof means to do it. I wish no one comes to that point though......
Well, not necessarily. Eat your gun? Yes, blows out the back of the head, takes out the auto controls to the body. Put it under the lower jaw? Again, pretty darn sure and the expanding gasses turns the head into a pizza.

Against the temple? Well, there was a case where a guy did that, the round bounced off his skull, tumbled around under the skin around the front of his head, and left him bouncing out the opposite temple, leaving him dazed and life loving (think I read that in a book on the Kennedy assassination). He was lucky.

Lucky because one is looking at a frontal lobe injury where it may not kill them but leave them similar to others with frontal lobe injuries.

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And that EXACTLY is the problem. It is irreversible, it requires much less planning and time for reconsideration. One can reverse pills and even the idea of staying in a garage filling with carbon monoxide.

Even looking down from a tall building gives one time to reconsider.
Suicides can be interesting in that in some cases, they didn't intend to kill themselves. They took the pills, hoping a certain one would come home to find them......and that certain one was held up in traffic or something. (think that is mentioned in a Burgess & Hazelwood manual on death investigation)

Positively ghoulish, isn't it, this life of mine, to know so much......but that's a life of a security professional.

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Old Today, 06:36 AM
 
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That generally depends on the sex of the person. The saying is that women attempt suicide more than once.....but men are more successful at it.

Women tend not to use the violent (and probably surer) methods that men do. Women often use pills or slicing the wrists or perhaps gas. For men, it is guns, high speed auto crashes, jumping, or suicide by cop.

Finally, here is that angle that if it can be shown to be suicide, the life insurance won't pay off. So while taking one's head off with a shot gun is pretty hard to deny as suicide, an auto or airplane crash is debatable. While I have not seen a case of it being intentional, I must admit that someone who offs themselves with autoerotic asphyxiation would have an excellent accidental death to present to the insurance company........assuming, of course, that whoever finds them doesn't clean up the humiliating scene.
The point I was making is that suicide by gun is very effective and cant be easily dismissed, around 9 out of 10 that fail the first attempt live out their lives. So the numbers when it comes to gun violence are very significant although different than homicide.


https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-m...tter/survival/
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Old Today, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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The point I was making is that suicide by gun is very effective and cant be easily dismissed, around 9 out of 10 that fail the first attempt live out their lives. So the numbers when it comes to gun violence are very significant although different than homicide.


https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-m...tter/survival/

Interesting article for I guess that other 10% must be all those famous cases we hear about, such as Inger Stevens (eventually succeeded), Ozzy Osborne (several attempts), Britney Spears (twice), Drew Carey (twice) (imdb, https://www.ranker.com/list/celebrit...elebrity-lists) David Wallace, pills then hanging ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...e_21st_century).



Further, in the information world, a person who has attempted suicide once is considered a pretty poor risk to issue a security clearance to.


Oh, well!
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Old Today, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Interesting article for I guess that other 10% must be all those famous cases we hear about, such as Inger Stevens (eventually succeeded), Ozzy Osborne (several attempts), Britney Spears (twice), Drew Carey (twice) (imdb, https://www.ranker.com/list/celebrit...elebrity-lists) David Wallace, pills then hanging ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...e_21st_century).



Further, in the information world, a person who has attempted suicide once is considered a pretty poor risk to issue a security clearance to.


Oh, well!
And a pretty poor candidate for gun ownership
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