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Old 09-08-2019, 06:47 PM
 
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Just a simple question to you:

Currently, a person who is born disabled and cant work get a maximum of $700 a month to survive on, most of the time significantly less than that. Do you support cutting this further or do you think it is a disgrace that the disabled have to live in dire poverty to survive?
My step-daughter, now deceased, was born with spina bifida in the late 60s. Her mother was her primary care giver until the daughter was about 20, and was then placed in a small group home. Later, she was placed in her own apartment, with round-the-clock care givers. All medical expenses were paid, all housing expenses were paid, all care giver expenses were paid, all food was paid. She passed away in 2016.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest that was waaaay more the 700/month.

So your simple question is totally meaningless,
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Old 09-08-2019, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Texas
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[quote=PCALMike;56124249]No, charity can never be sufficient. If you're disabled and cant work, do you honestly bank on a charity to take care of you for the rest of your life with all your needs and medications? /QUOTE]Based on what?

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You claim that government sucks, and I agree that a maximum of $700 a month for a disabled really suck, but getting nothing would suck even more and I think you know that.
Why do you think they'd get nothing? Because charities won't give a dime? Based on what?

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50 years ago, many infants would die if they had severe complications. Now they usually dont and grow up, but need lifelong care and support.
What proof do you have of this.

You never backed up one thing. You just said "they wont do it". lol
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Old 09-08-2019, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I wish more Republicans became a little bit "pro poor" also because thats what is repeated many times in their religious text.

I am more than happy to pay a few dollars more in taxes if it benefits poor working mothers or some disabled people.
Why sure you would. No ones stopping you. You should have been doing that from the get go. Or better yet donated to the exact cause.

But you need government to tell you first? lol
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Old Yesterday, 12:08 AM
 
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Not when the official deficit is almost a trillion, and the national debt is 22 times that.
So we’d wipe out the debt in about 44 years, sounds good.
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Old Yesterday, 01:18 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, TX
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The way I see it....Democrats are trying to take care of our overloaded system. Republicans just want kids born without any regard to the circumstances
Then how do you explain nothing being solved to tackle the ongoing rise of youth poverty?
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Old Yesterday, 01:27 AM
 
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I'm not wealthy. I am retired, secure but definitely not rich. I am also not "upset" about it. I just realize it wont work. Pro socialist have been spewing this garbage for a hundred years. The rich are still rich and governments still overspend. The USA is 22 trillion in debt if you believe the BS number and in reality closer to 80 trillion. The total of all the US billionaires net worth is about 131 billion. 2018 federal deficit was 779 billion. We are not going to fix the national debt by taxing the rich. No way, no how.
The combined net worth of the 2017 class of the 400 richest Americans was $2.7 trillion, up from $2.4 trillion in the previous year. As of March 2018, the U.S. had 585 billionaires.

Banana republics cannot stand without some sort of repressive apparatus. USA is unique in a sense that brainwashing over weighed centralized repression, but as inequality mushrooms that must change.
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Old Yesterday, 03:57 AM
 
Location: Metro Seattle Area - Born and Raised
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I'm not wealthy. I am retired, secure but definitely not rich. I am also not "upset" about it. I just realize it wont work. Pro socialist have been spewing this garbage for a hundred years. The rich are still rich and governments still overspend. The USA is 22 trillion in debt if you believe the BS number and in reality closer to 80 trillion. The total of all the US billionaires net worth is about 131 billion. 2018 federal deficit was 779 billion. We are not going to fix the national debt by taxing the rich. No way, no how.
Bravo Miquel!!

Just like you, I'm retired and saved money my entire adult life in order to live out my "Golden Years" in comfort. And I'm definitely not rich by any stretch of the imagination... Especially since I live in a high cost of living area and with a local government funding numerous failed social programs, while thinking raising local taxes is the solution... Just another failed solution.

I joined the Army at 17 to escape the traps of inner-city life, which most of my friends I grew up with are now either dead or in prison. I did my time in Combat Arms, took a few college courses in the evenings and on the weekends to better myself. Left the Army, but stayed in the Reserves, and started my civilian career at a entry level position and worked my way up to a senior position before retiring.

I reentered the workforce after a short break to keep adding to my "retirements." Again, I started off at an entry level position and after a year and a half, promoted into a supervisory/trainer position. Next week, I'm interviewing for a management position within my organization. They can't find enough people who are willing to work a 40 hour week, at the starting pay of $50Ks a year AND with truly great employer funded benefits.

Jobs with good starting are out there. My father's family moved out of the South in the 1930s and up to the North where the better paying jobs were... For people of color. So if your current location doesn't have those better paying jobs, are YOU willing to move to where they are? If not, who's fault is that and how is Socialism going to fix that??

Today, Americans, my people, don't feel that they should start at an entry level position and if they do, say working at McDonalds, many are not willing to do what it takes to move up into management... To earn a better life for themselves and families. At times, it feels that most of America have given up on themselves... Without really even trying. Seriously, I very pro immigration since damn near all of these "immigrants" sees these opportunities that AMERICA still has to offer and are working hard towards reaching their American Dream. They're quickly moving ahead of native born Americans into skilled labor, supervisory/trainer and management positions. And that's great... Good on them!!

I'm tired of people complaining that their lives suck when they're not committed in making it better. I have a son who is basically a 35 y/o idiot that still lives with his mom and doesn't work... When there are hundreds, if not thousands of jobs in my area with a starting pay of $15 to $18 a hour. But, to him, it's more important to smoke his weed, play video games and to take this time to find himself. There is nothing wrong with him, other than being lazy. As I told him, he better hope both his mother and grandmother live forever cuz he's *****ed when the Lord calls on them.

The opposite of him is my daughter. Life wasn't easy for her and she fell into several of those inner-city traps. But, after spending two weeks in jail and me hiring a good attorney to get the charges reduced, she did a 180 degree turn around. Went back to school, learned a good trade and started her own business. Which has now expanded into two locations in the Seattle area. She's making great money for herself and her family.

She's funny. Before she got her life in order, she was into that Socialist thing and was always blaming the "Rich White Man" for all her problems, while not seeing that she was the true cause of her own problems. To get to the point, she's no longer into that Socialist stuff, but is still very liberal in her views. When some of her friends start up that Socialist stuff, she quick to shoot it down. Like me, she now doesn't care if she's called a "Sell-Out", a "Tom" or "She forgot where she came from."

If you are not willing to put in the hard work to move yourself up in life, it's on you and sorry. I can't feel sorry for you since you failed yourself.

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Old Yesterday, 04:20 AM
 
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Bravo Miquel!!

Just like you, I'm retired and saved money my entire adult life in order to live out my "Golden Years" in comfort. And I'm definitely not rich by any stretch of the imagination... Especially since I live in a high cost area with a local government funding numerous failed social programs.

I joined the Army at 17 to escape the traps of inner-city life, which most of my friends are now either dead or in prison. I did my time in Combat Arms, took a few college courses in the evenings and weekends to better myself. Left the Army, but stayed in the Reserves, and started my civilian career at a entry level position and worked my way up to a senior position.

Today, Americans, my people, don't feel that they should start at an entry level position and if they do, say working at McDonalds, many are not willing to do what it takes to move up into management... To earn a better life for themselves and families. At times, it feels that most of America has given up on themselves. Seriously, I very pro immigration since damn near all of these "immigrants" sees these opportunities that AMERICA still has to offer and are working hard towards reaching their American Dream.

I tired of people complaining that their lives suck when they're not committed in making it better. I have a son who is basically a 35 y/o idiot that still lives with his mom and doesn't work... When there are hundreds, if not thousands of jobs in my area with a starting pay of $15 to $17 a hour. But, to him, it's more important to smoke his weed, play video games and to take this time to find himself. There is nothing wrong with him, other than being lazy. As I told him, he better hope both his mother and grandmother live forever cuz he's *****ed when the Lord calls on them.

The opposite of him is my daughter. Life wasn't easy for her and she fell into several of those inner-city traps. But, after spending two weeks in jail and me hiring a good attorney to get the charges reduced, she did a 180 degree turn around. Went back to school, learned a good trade and started her own business. Which has now expanded into two locations in the Seattle area. She's making great money for herself and her family.

She's funny. Before she got her life in order, she was into that Socialist thing and was always blaming the "Rich White Man" for all her problems, while not seeing that she was the true cause of her own problems. To get to the point, she's no longer into that Socialist stuff, but is still very liberal in her views. When some of her friends start up that Socialist stuff, she quick to shoot it down. Like me, she now doesn't care if she's called a "Sell-Out", a "Tom" or "She forgot where she came from."

If you are not willing to put in the hard work to move yourself up in life, it's on you and sorry. I can't feel sorry for you since you failed yourself.
Actually you are arguing that hard work yada yada yada will transform a pyramid of wealth into something resembling a plain. You are arguing for a socialist revolution by means of personal efforts. Sorry, hierarchical societies do not work that way. No amount of personal effort will turn a pyramid of wealth into a plain. A broad base of suckers selling their lives and health for cheap is a must. It is mathematically impossible for them to move up the pyramid. All this personal effort, upward mobility and self-blame propaganda are crucial for keeping the cattle at the bottom of pyramid docile. Geezers usually embrace pov of the owning class because they suck the same tit of unearned wealth the rich guys do and they want their modest unearned earnings to buy as much labor & stuff as possible. In lieu of living wage they might give a lecture about working hard for less for a chance to move up.

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Old Yesterday, 04:54 AM
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Are you all not paying attention?

Since 2009 the Modern Monetary Theory (MMT) crowd has been in control of all the major central banks worldwide.

Under MMT debt and money are interchangeable and there is no need to have any capital backing the various currencies as long as debt and liquidity is available. Debt is emitted by central banks until the economy reaches a desired level of employment. As economies grow so does the debt/money supply.

The debt is simply an accounting entry, it will never be repaid, but the interest on it will of course be serviced (if necessary, by issuing more debt).

We ain’t in Kansas anymore.
I thought that was what this upcoming crash was going to fix.

inflate the market bubble
let the 'central banks' shed dollars and horde gold
pop the bubble
pretend to panic
reset the dollar to 0.10 cents
pay off the debt with the trillion dollar T coins
everybody worldwide gets the same haircut
start all over again

I am pretty sure that is what everybody was talking about at the Build-A-Burger meeting last week, wasn't it?
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Old Yesterday, 08:13 AM
 
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Rightwing logic....

Republicans - Communism.

There is no middle ground... Reagan would be called a socialist by todays Republican Party standards!!!



While over here in Scandinavia we are paying 30-40% in income tax, 12-25% VAT one goods and services.
And we have some of the best safety net in the world, with lots and lots and lots of workers rights.

While being a highly capitalistic countries, and in most cases being more capitalistic and business friendly then the US.


People have forgotten that the USA used to have institutions that were very similar to the ones we have in the Nordic countries, as recently as in the 1970s. Trade union membership was as high as 40 per cent in many sectors. This period saw an expansion of the American welfare state, which then came to a halt. The result was increased wage disparities and greater inequality.
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