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Old 09-08-2019, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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It's not. I think the study has it backwards. It implies that men want to marry as always but women are turning them down. I think it's men who want to marry less because fewer want to be thought of "economically attractive". Men are filtering out the women looking for a "provider" and it's those women that are complaining.
Those women wish to live in the 1950s when fewer married women were working.

 
Old 09-08-2019, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Middle of the ocean
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Why is marriages being down a negative thing? Women have the ability to support themselves, so can be much more selective of whom they marry, and so can guys. That's a good thing. It's also good if people are marrying later in life.
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Old 09-08-2019, 11:03 AM
 
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Why is marriages being down a negative thing? Women have the ability to support themselves, so can be much more selective of whom they marry, and so can guys. That's a good thing. It's also good if people are marrying later in life.
I think only traditionalists who believe in strict gender roles would have an issue with people waiting longer to marry, if at all. I'm about 25 and only know maybe 3 people who I went to high school and college with who are married. I know more married people from law school but they also tend to be a bit older, most people my age or a little younger who I know from law school are not married or engaged. None of my friends have kids. We are mostly working on our careers and educations and not concerned with rushing marriage and/or kids. It has nothing to do with being picky about men or wanting someone to support us or not support us. It's simply that in 2019, life is different for young men and women, our priorities are different, and I think it's a good thing.

I also live in an upper middle class+ area of the NYC metro which may play a role in why people I know and myself are how we are.
 
Old 09-08-2019, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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Why is marriages being down a negative thing? Women have the ability to support themselves, so can be much more selective of whom they marry, and so can guys. That's a good thing. It's also good if people are marrying later in life.
Exactly. People can take the time to grow up and learn before taking on the responsibility.
 
Old 09-08-2019, 11:09 AM
 
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I can't imagine any self-respecting woman who would want to be in a relationship with a man who instead of talking about making love with a beautiful woman, would say that he was mating with an attractive female. It sounds more like breeding dogs than having a love affair. In my mind, they're only "females" when they are suspects or specimens.
 
Old 09-08-2019, 11:10 AM
 
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I think only traditionalists who believe in strict gender roles would have an issue with people waiting longer to marry, if at all. I'm about 25 and only know maybe 3 people who I went to high school and college with who are married. I know more married people from law school but they also tend to be a bit older, most people my age or a little younger who I know from law school are not married or engaged. None of my friends have kids. We are mostly working on our careers and educations and not concerned with rushing marriage and/or kids. It has nothing to do with being picky about men or wanting someone to support us or not support us. It's simply that in 2019, life is different for young men and women, our priorities are different, and I think it's a good thing.


Couldn't agree with this more!


Men and women have options now, not a single path they are "supposed" to take. Women aren't running around wringing their hands needing to find a man (if they don't want), men aren't judged at work if they do not have a wife and kids at home.

I'm 52, and never felt the need to marry, I did because I wanted to, but waited until 35, it just wasn't a priority.
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Old 09-08-2019, 11:33 AM
 
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Do a google search for:

"female manipulators"

(be sure to include the quotation marks--this exact phrase is important).

It will yield 358 results. A mere 14 pages of results.

Scroll through them.

It will tell you all you need to know.
do not forget about this classic piece.
indoctrination is strong, if cnn does not cover the subject of female manipulations and male disposable utility, it is not because none exist.
 
Old 09-08-2019, 11:43 AM
 
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Just came across a quote - artist/writer Winston Rowntree spent some time looking at young men's dating profiles and had this to say:

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Your life is not a character arc in which the Love Interest is obligated to appear at some point – it is a horribly free-form escalator ride to the grave, and it’s up to you to make the most of it by shaping yourself into the kind of person that the kind of person you’re attracted to would plausibly find attractive.
Seemed apt.
 
Old 09-08-2019, 11:48 AM
 
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Couldn't agree with this more!


Men and women have options now, not a single path they are "supposed" to take. Women aren't running around wringing their hands needing to find a man (if they don't want), men aren't judged at work if they do not have a wife and kids at home.

I'm 52, and never felt the need to marry, I did because I wanted to, but waited until 35, it just wasn't a priority.
Good 50% of population is just scrapping by with no lucrative career in sight, a good marriage would make lives of many much easier. Lower income sisterhood has no extra income to make up for the lack of a solid marriage, yet upper middle class career women mindset dominate trailer parks.
 
Old 09-08-2019, 11:56 AM
 
Location: los angeles county
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focusing on 'economically attractive' men is short sighted. That's like throwing money at the problem.

as long as he's fiscally responsible, kind, romantic, handy, he should be worth marrying.


Also, women can be breadwinners and bring home supplemental income. why does it matter that his salary is a little less than ideal?
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