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Old Today, 01:47 PM
 
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I strongly doubt there would be impeachment proceedings if a similar thing happened today as happened with Bill Clinton.
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Old Today, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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He had a profound effect on society.
From that time period to this, 8th graders believe that oral sex is not really sex. In fact, we no longer have to explain to 16 year-olds what oral sex is. They are now fully informed and a great many of them are experienced. And it will be like this forevermore.
You give Clinton a little too much credit, his behavior was disgraceful but I don’t think he changed the sex habitats of 8th graders. If not for Kavanaugh and Starr’s graphic description it wouldn’t have been so bad. They could have left it off as an affair but that would have been at odds with their motivation.

There were maybe s few other politicians like Henry Hyde and also Dennis Hastert who had relations with underage boys, at least Clinton’s affair was with a consenting adult.
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Old Today, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Sex with a White House intern is not personal.

You don't think lying under oath is related to his presidential oath?

Seriously?

Then you better hope Trump is never under oath. He will take lying to a whole new level. The man can't even tell the truth about the weather, if his butt is on the line he will lie,lie, and lie some more.
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Old Today, 02:10 PM
 
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The Clinton impeachment went before the full house while currently the House Judiciary committee is essentially working on a Trump impeachment without the full house agreeing to it. They are waffling a bit, making sure they have enough without forcing a vote on it.

Clinton was impeached for lying about the White Water thing as well as having sex with Lewinski, and then lying about that.

Impeachment is allowed for "high crimes and misdemeanors" which the Constitution left undefined, so basically it can be for anything.

I agree that Trump seems to have skirted the law and obstructed to a greater extent than Clinton did. If he is impeached I suspect that corruption involving his hotels will play a big part in that. It is pretty blatant what is going on with his hotels. The guys has a lot of chutzpah.
Trump should of course be impeached. And, like Clinton, he would be acquitted in the Senate.

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He had a profound effect on society.
From that time period to this, 8th graders believe that oral sex is not really sex. In fact, we no longer have to explain to 16 year-olds what oral sex is. They are now fully informed and a great many of them are experienced. And it will be like this forevermore.
LOL! You think Clinton defined sex for 8th graders and above?

I cannot tell you how many women that wanted to 'save themselves' for marriage used the Clinton definition and that was LONG before he was president.
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Old Today, 03:29 PM
 
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You give Clinton a little too much credit, his behavior was disgraceful but I donít think he changed the sex habitats of 8th graders. If not for Kavanaugh and Starrís graphic description it wouldnít have been so bad.....................
But they did define it, didn't they? They put it in the headlines for all to see.
And without Clinton that never would have happened.



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...............You think Clinton defined sex for 8th graders and above?

I cannot tell you how many women that wanted to 'save themselves' for marriage used the Clinton definition and that was LONG before he was president.
The educators in my family disagree with you.
For that matter, so do I, and I have personal knowledge of the years from 1945 onward.

The "Clinton definition" obviously did could not existed before Clinton.
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Old Today, 04:10 PM
 
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Hard to believe people in here do not remember it, not that long ago. I reckon Iím getting old.
Clinton lied under oath and used his power to cover it up. What happened is probably what should have happened...impeachment followed by a senate trial. I also believe the senate likely did right by deciding that his crime did not rise to the level of removal. The process worked exactly as it should have.

Big differences between now and then. No one has proven Trump committed a crime where Clinton was proven to have lied under oath. America was also more shocked 20 plus years ago by adultery and sexual immorality. Today promiscuous behavior, deviant sexual behavior and adulterous behavior are common and acceptable to many people (unfortunately). The impeachment process back then was a national drama, an embarrassment to the country. Monica was Americaís national tramp, she spent many years hiding from the notoriety. Many would point to that incident as a place where our cultural decay began to accelerate. Many millennials were young children back then, they learned alll about oral sex and cigars Misuse from the tv news and comedians. Before Clinton Americans expected their president to act presidential and be a man of decent moral background. Obviously we are not that country anymore, our current president cheated on his wife with porn stars and no one bats an eye. It is a different and much worse world we live in today.
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Old Today, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Trump should of course be impeached. And, like Clinton, he would be acquitted in the Senate.



LOL! You think Clinton defined sex for 8th graders and above?

I cannot tell you how many women that wanted to 'save themselves' for marriage used the Clinton definition and that was LONG before he was president.
There are Democrats who want impeachment to go to the Senate just to force a vote on it.

That would put Mitch McConnell in a real tough spot (that's how the thinking goes). If McConnell tries to block the impeachment vote, the Dems can use that against him next year. If he doesn't, then he puts Trump in jeopardy.

If it happens, it would be the 3rd impeachment in my lifetime, and I think that's 3 too many, especially this time.
I have always believed an election was the most proper way of removing an unfit President from office.

The President is the only Federal official we have who is elected by the voters from all our states and territories directly. All the other officials either represent our state or our nation, but we only get to vote for the officials from our states.

I think a special single-issue election should be called after impeachment proceedings are held in Congress jointly, and should use exactly the same method a President was hired; 270 electors to hire him, 270 to fire him. That's when the people have spoken to me.

The impeachment process as it is now is far too fuzzy and ill-defined, is too prone to insider compromise, jockeying for power, and is too cloaked in obscurity, with everything happening behind the curtain, out of public view.

I believe the conditions for impeachment must become a short list of some very clear, defined offenses or conditions. "High crimes and misdemeanors" is far to ill-defined to ever know what it even means to us, inside or outside our government.

I can see a few extreme instances when, for the nation's security and welfare, it would be necessary for Congress to act alone to impeach a dangerous President quickly.

But those instances are very rare; every President is the most vetted federal official we elect.

The President would have to do something that presents imminent serious danger to impeach him by Congress. And Congress would have be able to do it fast, much like an EMT has to act fast to save a person's life.

As it is now, any emergency impeachment attempt to remove a President could result in a military or a civilian coup.

But in more normal circumstances, where the President isn't going to be pushing the button that lets our nuclear arsenal fly, it's the citizen's job to fire they guy they hired.
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Old Today, 04:37 PM
 
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I strongly doubt there would be impeachment proceedings if a similar thing happened today as happened with Bill Clinton.

Pretty sure we are headed that way......
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Old Today, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Then you better hope Trump is never under oath. He will take lying to a whole new level. The man can't even tell the truth about the weather, if his butt is on the line he will lie,lie, and lie some more.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Tf8ZfAa9cM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aGbdni7QNs


Yep, Trump's a regular ****ing Pinocchio!
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