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Old 09-08-2019, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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I don't know what this means.
So if a baby doesn't want to take a bath or be put in a crib (jail) the parent has no right to do that?

Since you have moved the definition of consent to anything that is not spoken I guess I can trespass on your property, punch your kid, and borrow your motor cycle since no one has told me not to.
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Old 09-08-2019, 05:48 PM
 
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I don't know what this means.
Toddlers need to be stopped from running in front of cars and sticking their fingers in light sockets. Distraction is great - but sometimes you just have to use force. Babies need to be bathed, vaccinated and examined by doctors whether said babies happen to be in the mood or not. Children cannot be allowed to pull heavy display cases in stores down on top of their heads. Thatís just basic survival. Just the bare minimum.
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Old 09-08-2019, 06:48 PM
 
Location: SM
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Toddlers need to be stopped from running in front of cars and sticking their fingers in light sockets. Distraction is great - but sometimes you just have to use force. Babies need to be bathed, vaccinated and examined by doctors whether said babies happen to be in the mood or not. Children cannot be allowed to pull heavy display cases in stores down on top of their heads. Thatís just basic survival. Just the bare minimum.
You don't have to use force, regardless of who is deciding what force is, to achieve those things.

As I said, there is a big non-violent parenting movement within the anarchy community. You guys should check it out or I can give the info directly.

In any event, freedom would require the hardest work humans have ever undertaken. For far too long the government has been taking care of its pets from cradle to grave. Inconvenience, laziness, and emotion are not valid reasons to violate the natural rights of individuals. Unfortunately nearly all people believe the opposite there.
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Old 09-08-2019, 07:03 PM
 
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So if a baby doesn't want to take a bath or be put in a crib (jail) the parent has no right to do that?

Since you have moved the definition of consent to anything that is not spoken I guess I can trespass on your property, punch your kid, and borrow your motor cycle since no one has told me not to.
I'm honestly convinced that you've never been around babies or other adults at this point. I mean...how many times do I have to say this?

You can't assert the claim on the baby's rights for the baby or for yourself. If you believe your neighbor is putting down their baby for bed without its permission you're just going to have to ask the parents to stop. I mean...good luck.

I have not moved the definition of consent to anything that is not spoken. If you trespass on my property I will assert my rights and attempt to kill you. Or maybe I'll just sit there. It's my mind, body, and soul. I'll do what I want with it without violating the rights of others.

You guys are assigning motives and claims on individuals and you simply have no right to do that. Not only that, how in the world do you know you're right?
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Old 09-08-2019, 07:03 PM
 
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You don't have to use force, regardless of who is deciding what force is, to achieve those things.

As I said, there is a big non-violent parenting movement within the anarchy community. You guys should check it out or I can give the info directly.

In any event, freedom would require the hardest work humans have ever undertaken. For far too long the government has been taking care of its pets from cradle to grave. Inconvenience, laziness, and emotion are not valid reasons to violate the natural rights of individuals. Unfortunately nearly all people believe the opposite there.
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Old 09-08-2019, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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I'm honestly convinced that you've never been around babies or other adults at this point. I mean...how many times do I have to say this?

You can't assert the claim on the baby's rights for the baby or for yourself. If you believe your neighbor is putting down their baby for bed without its permission you're just going to have to ask the parents to stop. I mean...good luck.

I have not moved the definition of consent to anything that is not spoken. If you trespass on my property I will assert my rights and attempt to kill you. Or maybe I'll just sit there. It's my mind, body, and soul. I'll do what I want with it without violating the rights of others.

You guys are assigning motives and claims on individuals and you simply have no right to do that. Not only that, how in the world do you know you're right?
You're the one who said consent is assumed until denied. What right do you have to shoot someone on your property when consent is assumed?

Babies locked in a crib without the babies permission is fine because consent is assumed. That is what you said.
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Old 09-08-2019, 07:41 PM
 
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You're the one who said consent is assumed until denied. What right do you have to shoot someone on your property when consent is assumed?

Babies locked in a crib without the babies permission is fine because consent is assumed. That is what you said.
What in the world are you talking about?



I said no such thing.

I said you cannot claim the right of consent or denial for another individual. That is what makes this whole argument moot. If you could, that would mean you have a higher claim on the right of the individual than the individual itself does.

How many times can I say this?
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Old 09-08-2019, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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What in the world are you talking about?



I said no such thing.

I said you cannot claim the right of consent or denial for another individual. That is what makes this whole argument moot. If you could, that would mean you have a higher claim on the right of the individual than the individual itself does.

How many times can I say this?
So then what right do you have to act if you don't know they consent or not?

If you don't know a baby wants to be locked away in a crib then what right do you have to act?
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Old 09-08-2019, 08:52 PM
 
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What in the world are you talking about?



I said no such thing.

I said you cannot claim the right of consent or denial for another individual. That is what makes this whole argument moot. If you could, that would mean you have a higher claim on the right of the individual than the individual itself does.

How many times can I say this?
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So then what right do you have to act if you don't know they consent or not?

If you don't know a baby wants to be locked away in a crib then what right do you have to act?
"you cannot claim the right of consent or denial for another individual"



Will It Go Round In Circles
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Old 09-08-2019, 09:07 PM
 
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If a state cannot claim a citizen at birth, then what gives parents the right to claim their own child at birth. I can not find a sufficient answer to this question anywhere in this thread.
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