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Old 09-08-2019, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Lakeside, CA
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"Love it or leave it."
Hate it....on my way out. With almost everyone I know....
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Old 09-08-2019, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Places you dream of
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So we are no longer concerned about saving trees?
We are go to reisuable. I have this little cloth bag like umbrella material, it has a clip and folds to the size of a cigarette pack. Itís great and holds a lot ! Paid $2 for it. Keep it on my purse. Thatís what we need. Now some men might have an issue with carrying a bag - get over it. We can make them camouflage color
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Old 09-08-2019, 03:05 PM
 
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Huh, I didnít know they had Home Depot in Russia.
They do not have one in Russia.
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Old 09-08-2019, 03:09 PM
 
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Many on the left are so stupid.

Do you remember when they were AGAINST paper bags and whined and cried about how "bad" they were for the environment because of all the tress that had to be cut down to produce the bags?

They are too ignorant to know that the lumber industry RE-plants thousands of seedlings to RESTORE what they cut down. It is like a farmer who reaps his crops then replants. Only an idiot would destroy what the need to stay in business.

And of course to save the spotted owl? Which re-appeared after the cuttings took place.

THEY forced the industry to move to plastic. Look how that worked out. NOW they say plastic is bad.

They can't think past their own biases which is why they have zero credibility with many and we are now in this situation. THEY CREATED IT!
Oh yeah, I remember the paper bag was going to be the end. Of coarse now when we go to Safeway for groceries they give paper bags for free, (now that it is old news).

And the spotted owl - all but shut down an entire industry.

The best thing for a forest is a clear cut. Not only as material for the house those that complain live in, and not only for a fire break, but large animals - dear, elk, etc. were open range animals were there is plenty of grasses. The clear cut gives sunlight to the forest floor, grasses grow and wildlife loves it. Young trees sprout like weeds.

If you want to see an animal while in the forest - sit on the edge of a clear cut.

What will the next ban be ? oh yeah, i heard something about manholes......
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Old 09-08-2019, 03:22 PM
 
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In the political sense, being "conservative" or "liberal" has nothing to do with what you have stated. In political science, regarding the US, the only true conservatives are monarchists, everyone else is a liberal.
Well, that's good to hear...in a sense...except realizing that 1/3 of Americans are Monarchists even after all these years is a bit disappointing
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Old 09-08-2019, 03:25 PM
 
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I guess the real question each of us has to ask ourselves constantly is

"Does it make a difference if we throw our plastic drinking cup out the car window on a country road?".

A wise person I know said "Real morals is what you do when no one is looking". I'd hope this country would improve along those lines as we go along.
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Old 09-08-2019, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Starting a walkabout
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Here is the NPR podcast about plastic bag ban and its impact on environment.

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2...g-bans-garbage

What found interesting was that a cloth bag was to be used more than 131 times to make an impact on climate more than plastic bags, as per English and Danish economists.
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Old 09-08-2019, 03:52 PM
 
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Here is the NPR podcast about plastic bag ban and its impact on environment.

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2...g-bans-garbage

What found interesting was that a cloth bag was to be used more than 131 times to make an impact on climate more than plastic bags, as per English and Danish economists.
The bags most of the places sell and give away these days are made from recycled or junk plastics, cloth and paper mixes and such.

But, yeah, a cotton bag or other energy intensive material....a big no-no. UNLESS....like most of us, you already have some hanging around. We have one our dentist gave us over 20 years ago...still use it.

I'm not against plastic by any means...and the biggest problem (with very light bags) is not the energy or oil used to make them. It's the litter and ocean mess and all that stuff.

That's why I think plastic bags made out of biodegrade stuff is part of the eventually answer.

The bags you put your veggies in at the market contain so little material that it's a joke. A short hop in an airplane or a day trip in your car probably uses (for you) a decades worth of thin plastic bags worth of oil (or maybe 3 years of heavier plastic bags)

But it's like those plastic things that strangle birds or balloons that are killing other wildlife.....too many of these things get out into the land and water.

I'm not sure I am right, but when offered paper or plastic I think plastic (thin) is usually a better choice if you intend to use the bag another time or two. Paper takes a lot of energy to make.

It's really the litter thing. AND, it's also the fact that if we actually think about things, we change our behavior. I know I can't stand to throw away an aluminum can. Can't do it. I will haul it around forever until I can recycle it.
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Old 09-08-2019, 03:55 PM
 
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Well, that's good to hear...in a sense...except realizing that 1/3 of Americans are Monarchists even after all these years is a bit disappointing
I do not believe 1/3 of Americans advocate to remain under the British crown.
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Old 09-08-2019, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Places you dream of
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Hate it....on my way out. With almost everyone I know....
South?
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