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Old 09-10-2019, 09:46 AM
 
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That's capitalism and it helped make me rich. Not excessively so. But even Medicaid payments as low as they are at least helped pay the overhead for my medical office.
Is medicaid, medicare and health insurance really capitalism though? You getting rich is not a very compelling argument lol.
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Old 09-10-2019, 09:48 AM
 
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UBI cannot replace SS. There are 63 million people on SS. It is probably the biggest voting bloc in the US. Anyone proposing to do away with SS is committing political suicide.
Of course it would have to be attractive for us. Us meaning we the people and our current retirees.
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Old 09-10-2019, 09:50 AM
 
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So seniors who have been paying their whole life, who take in up to $3000/month on SS now will be reduced to live on $1000/month?
No. On balance the deal would have to be the same or better. The same if we the people believe that seniors are flush enough.
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Old 09-10-2019, 09:51 AM
 
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No. On balance the deal would have to be the same or better. The same if we the people believe that seniors are flush enough.
What's that mean? UBI won't be $1000? Will it be $4000/month?
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Old 09-10-2019, 09:53 AM
 
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Is medicaid, medicare and health insurance really capitalism though? You getting rich is not a very compelling argument lol.
Much of the private sector and capitalism is involved.

The point is that a new dollar created centrally enters the economy and moves on up stimulating business transactions and the local and more broad economies. It isn't just wasted on some no count and then disappears.
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Old 09-10-2019, 10:31 AM
 
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Much of the private sector and capitalism is involved.

The point is that a new dollar created centrally enters the economy and moves on up stimulating business transactions and the local and more broad economies. It isn't just wasted on some no count and then disappears.
But that's true almost no matter what spending is on. The question is who deserve to receive the spending dollars.
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Old 09-10-2019, 10:39 AM
 
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But that's true almost no matter what spending is on. The question is who deserve to receive the spending dollars.
That is true do we cap it or anyone who pays taxes eligible for UBI

I think capping it be best.
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Old 09-10-2019, 10:44 AM
 
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That is true do we cap it or anyone who pays taxes eligible for UBI

I think capping it be best.
I'm not really for UBI. I have different solutions in mind.
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Old 09-10-2019, 10:55 AM
 
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But that's true almost no matter what spending is on. The question is who deserve to receive the spending dollars.
IMO if we have unmet social or national needs that is where we consider sending the money. In general today we should focus on improving on the standard of living of our broad middle class.

HC, infrastructure, to name 2.
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Old 09-10-2019, 11:00 AM
 
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IMO if we have unmet social or national needs that is where we consider sending the money. In general today we should focus on improving on the standard of living of our broad middle class.

HC, infrastructure, to name 2.
I agree, make the middle class bigger and also improve the standard of living of the working and lower class with policies that indirectly benefit or favor them.
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