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Old Today, 07:05 AM
 
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So sick of this lying claim by the same posters in here that illegals are only doing jobs that Americans won't do but they never describe what those jobs are and who do they think were doing them before millions of cheap illegals flooded our border? Did they just not get done? Please.......

The only job that most Americans won't do in urban areas in particular is picking crops for a living. It's not a career job and is only seasonal work. For those jobs there are unlimited visas for legal, foreign workers so why would we even need illegal aliens for those jobs? The same liars in here never answer that question. Why is that?

If we truly had a labor shortage for any jobs wouldn't our government increase visas for foreigners to come here legally and do them? It's obvious that we don't have a labor shortage otherwise why wouldn't that be happening?

Illegal aliens also cost mainstream Americans over $100 billion a year for their social costs of which their greedy employers pass on to the taxpayer. They pass no savings on to us they merely pocket the profits from using cheap, illegal labor.

Those who keep repeating these lies need to shut the hell up!
You know those food processing plants that were raided by ICE......that's proof positive of jobs Americans won't do

There is no company in the world that will choose to hire folks that aren't undocumented over folks that are clearly American citizens. Even Americans with green cards are not 'easier' to hire -- .......



And your 100 billion cost a year is some estimate that has been derived but never proven. '

And we do have companies applying for visas all the time. cough cough even the President's business applies for temporary work visas every year.
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Old Today, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Self explanatory
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Originally Posted by Oldglory View Post
So sick of this lying claim by the same posters in here that illegals are only doing jobs that Americans won't do but they never describe what those jobs are and who do they think were doing them before millions of cheap illegals flooded our border? Did they just not get done? Please.......

The only job that most Americans won't do in urban areas in particular is picking crops for a living. It's not a career job and is only seasonal work. For those jobs there are unlimited visas for legal, foreign workers so why would we even need illegal aliens for those jobs? The same liars in here never answer that question. Why is that?

If we truly had a labor shortage for any jobs wouldn't our government increase visas for foreigners to come here legally and do them? It's obvious that we don't have a labor shortage otherwise why wouldn't that be happening?

Illegal aliens also cost mainstream Americans over $100 billion a year for their social costs of which their greedy employers pass on to the taxpayer. They pass no savings on to us they merely pocket the profits from using cheap, illegal labor.

Those who keep repeating these lies need to shut the hell up!
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Old Today, 07:26 AM
 
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If one can't afford to run their business legally then yes they need to go out of business. We are a nation of laws. When laws are broken society suffers as a whole.
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Old Today, 07:28 AM
 
Location: too far from the sea
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This will just hurt our economy with a labor shortage. We need them to do the jobs that Americans wonít do.
We have the guest visa program for that. The person comes and works for a certain period of time (does not bring family who would put a strain on our schools, roads, medical, etc.) then takes their money and goes home. The money gets spent in their own country so that they can have a better life, maybe a nicer house, food for their kids.

But instead of streamlining the guest worker program, the GOP likes to take money from big corporate donors who use and abuse illegals, stick them in dead end jobs, and the rest of us end up supporting the services for their kids. Foreign guest workers will gladly do these jobs and they will not bring their families and settle here permanently. We need to tell our people in Congress that we want to strengthen the guest worker program.
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Old Today, 08:41 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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You guys need to really get together and get your stories straight..........
No we don't.
The truth is there for you to see. We Republicans do not feel compelled to "get our story straight". That is what Democrats do because their "story" is rarely the truth.
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Old Today, 08:45 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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And yet the numbers went down in 2015.

The huge spike occurred in 2019, firmly on Trumpís watch. So far by the numbers Trumpís rhetoric has only increased illegal immigration.
The Democrats acted as speed bumps, mentoring and encourage illegals and hiding them when authorities came. Every move to discourage illegal immigration was blocked by Democrats in court.
Now they want to blame Trump for the damage they have caused.


First you said there was no crisis, now you blame Trump for it.
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Old Today, 09:54 AM
 
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How in the world was Trump getting tough on illegal immigration encouraging more to come here? That makes no sense at all! Someone want to explain that to me????
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Old Today, 10:01 AM
 
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We have the guest visa program for that. The person comes and works for a certain period of time (does not bring family who would put a strain on our schools, roads, medical, etc.) then takes their money and goes home. The money gets spent in their own country so that they can have a better life, maybe a nicer house, food for their kids.

But instead of streamlining the guest worker program, the GOP likes to take money from big corporate donors who use and abuse illegals, stick them in dead end jobs, and the rest of us end up supporting the services for their kids. Foreign guest workers will gladly do these jobs and they will not bring their families and settle here permanently. We need to tell our people in Congress that we want to strengthen the guest worker program.
As I said, there is no true worker shortage and what makes you think that Democrat business owners don't hire illegal aliens to increase their profits also? You're not dealing in reality if you think so. We already have several guest worker programs so what do you mean by strengthening them? Allow more in that we don't need? However, I agree under no circumstances should they be allowed to bring their families here sucking up our taxes, resources and depleting our natural and social resources.
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Old Today, 10:04 AM
 
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Its hot in August therefore border crossings both legal and illegal go down in August. Do to the middle of no where Texas, Arizona, New Mexico and you will learn why real quick.
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Old Today, 10:07 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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And that May was 3 times higher than under Obama.

So if we're laying this reduction at Trump's feet, we first have to acknowledge that he raised it 300% before he cut it a measly 60%.
Please tell us how President Trump raised illegals crossing by 300%?
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