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Old Today, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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First I must thank the CD poster who recommended this book:
www.city-data.com/forum/56106543-post22.html


It's well-written, and I enjoyed it. She chose her co-author, a guy named Bill Woodward, very well.

Here's a quote that illustrates why I like the writing. She is discussing geo-politics following WWI:

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Many governments that started out liberal after the war were confronted by explosive social tensions that seemed to demand more repressive policies. From Poland and Austria to Romania and Greece, fledgling democracies took wing, then plunged back to earth. (p. 13)
This is basically a work of history, so if you like history, you'll like the book. She was born in 1937 in Czechoslovakia, of Jewish extraction, and escaped with her family to the US around age 11. Her father was a professor at the Univ. of Denver (sec'y of state Condi Rice was one of his students).

The big problem I found with the book is that Albright does not really have a clear definition of 'fascism.' She gives this definition: "To my mind, a Fascist is someone who identifies strongly with and claims to speak for a whole nation or group, is unconcerned with the rights of others, and is willing to use whatever means are necessary--including violence--to achieve his or her goals."

This is nebulous, and does not reflect the ideas of Benito Mussolini, who coined the word 'fascism.' He wrote: "Fascism is the principle that the state no longer leaves the economy to its own devices.…"

The book has 17 chapters, mostly devoted to various leaders who Albright presumably believes to be examples of fascists. Included are Mussolini, Stalin, US Sen. Joe McCarthy (a 'fascist bully'), Hugo Chavez (on the 'outskirts of fascism'), Islamist Erdogan of Turkey, Kim Jong un, and of course last but not least, US President Donald Trump. There are others, but you'll have to read the book to find out.

As with the cry of "racist," if everyone from Islamist Erdogan to democratic socialist Chavez, to conservative Republican Trump, are all fascists, then no one is a fascist. The distinction between what is a fascist and what is not has been erased.

She does not include a chapter on FDR, who was an admirer of Mussolini, and created the 'National Recovery Administration' modeled on the ideas of Il Duce. Hugh Johnson, head the program, issued a pamphlet entitled: "Capitalism and Labor Under Fascism, which stated "the fascist principles are very similar to those which have been evolving in America." Why no chapter on FDR? I can only guess that she's trying to sell a partisan narrative, and FDR does not fit it.

Nonetheless, it's a book worth reading; you will learn from it.
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Old Today, 07:22 PM
 
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This Madeline Albright?
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Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.

—60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Id be more intrested in hearing about her being tried as a war criminal than reading her historically inaccurate book
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Old Today, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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I'm guessing she thinks America's liberal democracy means freedom for all.
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Old Today, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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This Madeline Albright?
Id be more intrested in hearing about her being tried as a war criminal than reading her historically inaccurate book
I think those numbers are wrong actual. Saddam's government inflated the numbers to gain sympathy against the sanctions.

Albright was fine with the lie because she later clarified that she phrased the answer poorly; she never claimed the numbers were wrong which is interesting.

https://www.thenation.com/article/ha...raq-sanctions/


But yeah, she is a war criminal, definitely.
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Old Today, 07:54 PM
 
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we can learn from bad books as well as good ones.
exactly what is learned speaks to the reader.
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Old Today, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Albright gives another nebulous definition later in the book (p.113):

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we see around the globe what appear to be Fascism's early stirrings: the discrediting of mainstream politicians, the emergence of leaders who seek to divide rather than to unite, the pursuit of political victory at all costs, and the invocation of national greatness....
She makes a fuss over 'nationalism,' and indeed Mussolini was a nationalist, but then so were Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, and FDR. The Declaration of Independence is nothing if not a nationalist document.
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Old Today, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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btw I don't know why she capitalizes 'fascism,' but she does so throughout the book, as you can see from the quotes above. Curious, but probably not significant.
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Old Today, 08:14 PM
 
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This Madeline Albright?
Id be more intrested in hearing about her being tried as a war criminal than reading her historically inaccurate book
Yeah the irony of a Albright fascist warning us about fascist lol.
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Old Today, 08:18 PM
 
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Albright gives another nebulous definition later in the book (p.113):



She makes a fuss over 'nationalism,' and indeed Mussolini was a nationalist, but then so were Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, and FDR. The Declaration of Independence is nothing if not a nationalist document.
True, a nationalist and a fascist are two different things, or Nazi or imperialist or globalist. I consider the latter four not truly or strictly nationalist. A nationalist could be entirely non-interventionist and pacifist.
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Old Today, 08:27 PM
 
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I like the idea from the post you provided that it is not an ideology but a process. It's probably both but I like that the word "process" was used. The process makes the ideology possible. The process was mentioned as pitting people against each other with no solution.


What may not be realized is that pitting people against each other is the solution to an identified problem.
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