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Old 09-10-2019, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Columbia MO
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Cheer up-- both waitrons and drivers for hire will be replaced by robots, self-driving cars, and touch screens in a decade. What will the unskilled and uneducated do then?
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Old 09-10-2019, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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I prefer the tipping system in Canada and the US, over what some European countries do, like France, where " Service Compris" is automatically added.

Heck in Italy, the bill included, the tip, a charge for " service " which meant the use of plates and cutlery, and an entertainment fee, when there wasn't even any entertainment.

I don't understand why some here think there is no tipping culture in Europe. There is, it's just more " invisible ", at least in restaurants/cafes.

Depending on the restaurant of course, a server in Australia may make more per hour, but at the end of the night, the total amount made could be considerably less. I worked in places where my tip portion was triple what my wage earnings were.
I believe a 15% service charge is, by law, added to all restaurant checks in France.

There are 37 countries in Europe. Tipping customs are variable throughout Europe and within each country. Menus often show the policy. Rounding the bill up in common.
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Old 09-10-2019, 03:47 PM
 
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My view has nothing to do with being cheap. If the "true cost" of a meal at a restaurant is 50% higher than what's printed on the menu (as one poster here claims), I'll either pay that higher amount or not eat there. I just hate the guessing game, the emotional triggers, and all the other nonsense that comes with the culture of tipping.
What's to guess? Unless you can't figure out simple math? 15-20%. I understand that high-end restaurants that % is much. But if the waiter just has you to cater too? Not doing multiple tables in a section. Then yes tip appropriately, or don't go.

It isn't rocketScience you know and IS THE AMERICAN WAY. Saying YOU ARE EMBARASSED TO BE AMERCAN AS A ULTRA-RIGHT-WING PERSON...... I find laughable.

So you are saying something no liberal has a right to say. truly ironic and hypocritical.

I tip better my favorite bartender. But do all. Those who talk and joke back and I enjoy her getting real with those she knows they like being called a shiiiit-head as I. It is all part of the tactic and works.

Of course this is a local small city Club bar. But anyone can join. A Volunteer Firehouse bar actually.
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Old 09-10-2019, 03:55 PM
 
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What's to guess?
(1) Who to tip. There is no logic behind which occupations should be given tips and which shouldn't, nor is there an official list I can check.

(2) How much to tip. Some people in this thread say 30-50%, others say 15-20%. The difference is not trivial. Given how much the average person American eats out, this adds up to hundreds of, maybe even a thousand, dollars every year.
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Old 09-10-2019, 03:58 PM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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I have to admit--when a business advertises "no tipping allowed"...i actually give it a second look.
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Old 09-10-2019, 04:16 PM
 
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2 different Curb scenes about the awkward tipping culture in the U.S.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twnEWSfDjFY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq7YmbxniK0
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Old 09-10-2019, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Practically everyone I meet who is visiting the U.S. from another country has the same complaint, and sometimes horror stories, about tipping. It's strange enough that prices listed in the U.S. almost never include sales tax, and even stranger when tipping is factored into the equation so that the total price is 20-35% higher than the listed price. Nowadays you are expected to tip for your taxi ride, your morning coffee, who knows what else. A couple I met from Australia the other day told me about how a bar kicked them out for tipping "only" $8 on a round of drinks that that bar said were supposed to warrant a $12 tip.
I noticed this during a trip to the UK. You don't tip, and when you go to the store VAT is already added in, so the price on the shelf is what you pay at the register.

One manifestation of the overgrowth of tipping is tip jars, which are prevalent at places where you don't get anything close to what I would call service. Sorry, if you ring up my order and then hand me a bag, that doesn't warrant me sticking extra cash in the jar on the counter.
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Old 09-10-2019, 05:10 PM
 
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(1) Who to tip. There is no logic behind which occupations should be given tips and which shouldn't, nor is there an official list I can check.

(2) How much to tip. Some people in this thread say 30-50%, others say 15-20%. The difference is not trivial. Given how much the average person American eats out, this adds up to hundreds of, maybe even a thousand, dollars every year.
Isn't it socialism to force restaurants to pay a higher wage to compensate for forced to end tipping? Or pressured in the future?

Do you think a socialist started the concept of tipping a waiter in a restaurant? Think ...... You are saying ending tipping and raising wages instead ..... is a preference????

I also never heard 30-50%. Maybe 25% or to 30% for ultra superior service. But I have done the 50% in my local tavern. Just having a couple beers and leaving a few $$$.
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Old 09-10-2019, 05:13 PM
 
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Tipping is great for both the consumer and hard working servers.

Tipping doesn't work out to well for crappy servers who feel entitled to tips.
THIS! In most countries, where tipping is not a thing, the service is crappy. People should work for their money.
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Old 09-10-2019, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Just like other services (ex. auto shop), you react to poor service (assuming no damages.. another discusison) by going somewhere else. You cannot simply walk out without paying the agreed amount irregardless of service.

You react to good service by offering a non-obligatory tip.

Once tip became part of servers' pay (as you mentioned in your previous post), it is wrong to walk out without paying a tip at all as it is part of the cost of service (even poor). For any other business type other than restaurants, that would be considered "Theft of Service" which can result in a lawsuit.



This is absolutely preposterous.

There is no law that says one MUST tip.

If a server does a poor job ....and I've had some REALLY BAD servers......

Then they don't deserve a tip.

That's entitlement mentality, and tipping for poor service just encourages more poor service.
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