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Old 09-10-2019, 07:22 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Tipping in the US gained traction after the Civil War. It was the way for business owners to pay $0.00 wage.

Experienced wait staff in Australia earn $20-222/ hour. The cost of labor is baked into the price of the meal.

Mass market cruise ships pay wait staff and cabin attendants about &1.00/ hr. The rest of compensation is in the form of tips. Over the past decade or so, a per day Hotel Service Charge has been imposed on bills because too many passengers, US and foreign, were not tipping. High end cruise lines trend all inclusive. Despite this, most passengers still tip.

US Hotels/ resorts increasing charge a mandatory per day resort fee, in the $25-50/ day. This include Trump properties.
And today people hire illegals as a way to get as close to $0.00 as possible too.
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Old 09-10-2019, 07:27 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Experienced wait staff in Australia earn $20-222/ hour. The cost of labor is baked into the price of the meal.

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Good wait staff in a typical Red Robin type restaurant often earn much more than that.

I know a 65K Applebees waiter and a bit more distantly know a 70+K Red Robin waiter. Note both are better than the norm to the point that seating in their sections is unavailable due to requests.
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Old 09-10-2019, 07:32 AM
 
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A waitress at a local truck stop, she is 20 and in college, averages over $200 a day in tips plus $10 an hour wages.
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Old 09-10-2019, 07:41 AM
 
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Those who claim tipping leads to better service should visit Europe and see if that actually is true. Restaurant owners pay them enough and they work in happy mood all the time. Go there and try.

Try being Asian and seeing how great the service is in Europe. I bet Middle Easterners have it even worse.
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Old 09-10-2019, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Rutherfordton,NC
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Practically everyone I meet who is visiting the U.S. from another country has the same complaint, and sometimes horror stories, about tipping. It's strange enough that prices listed in the U.S. almost never include sales tax, and even stranger when tipping is factored into the equation so that the total price is 20-35% higher than the listed price. Nowadays you are expected to tip for your taxi ride, your morning coffee, who knows what else. A couple I met from Australia the other day told me about how a bar kicked them out for tipping "only" $8 on a round of drinks that that bar said were supposed to warrant a $12 tip.
1. Go to another country.

2. Go buy a car or ride a bike.

3. Brew your own coffee.

4. Stop being so cheap.
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Old 09-10-2019, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Tipping in the US is a scam most likely started by restaurant owners to keep more money in their pockets. Those who claim tipping leads to better service should visit Europe and see if that actually is true. Restaurant owners pay them enough and they work in happy mood all the time. Go there and try.



Tipping is also going out of control as it keeps increasing 15% then20% and now some claims less than 30% would be an insult!! I took a shuttle to car rental and all driver did hand me my only bag. I was forced to give him a dollar and he looked back at me like I am insulting him!! WTF!!!! I wanted to grab that back from his hand!
Did the driver force you at gun point?
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Old 09-10-2019, 07:48 AM
 
Location: NNJ
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Tipping is great for both the consumer and hard working servers.

Tipping doesn't work out to well for crappy servers who feel entitled to tips.
Not necessarily true.

In many cases, the tip goes to the restaurant and is used in part to subsidize the cost of wait staff labor and/or split among them.

The fed min wage for wait staff is 2.13. All tips go to the employer to make up the diff between 2.13 and min wage. It doesn't matter if the individual is crappy or good. If min wage is not met, then the employer makes up the difference. If it is, it is up to the employer to determine how the remainder is distributed.

What people don't realize is that for many, th tip is considered part of their wage not necessarily in addition to for good service.
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Old 09-10-2019, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Rutherfordton,NC
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Not necessarily true.

In many cases, the tip goes to the restaurant and is used in part to subsidize the cost of wait staff labor and/or split among them.
Servers donít split their tips. Period. Now in strip clubs the dancers pay the house to dance and for the use of the outfits.
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Old 09-10-2019, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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That's true. I know this is just another way you liberals bash the US. But the reason that would never work here is because people who do that job in other countries do it for life and take pride in the job.
Personal sentiments about tipping cross all political ideologies.

I don’t have a particular issue with it. One way or another, my patronage is going to contribute to the wage of employees.

The more one travels, the more one realizes that everything, including service, is a huge variable.

One can have a great or lousy experience, anywhere.

And sometimes, it’s the patron’s expectations that are unrealistic.

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Old 09-10-2019, 08:01 AM
 
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Tipping should be outlawed -- period. Hire responsible employees who give superior service, without needless personalization, in return for a respectable wage.
The bolded text is the issue. Additionally many restaurants take a cut of those tips when paid by debit card or credit card, it illegal in some states but it still occurs. There are no police going around making sure your employer is not robbing the employees and most will just say "quit and find another job".

Americans have put themselves in a pickle. Low wages have kept prices down for the consumer which has helped to mask the cost of low wages for most, we are all under the Wal-Mart model of economics now. But now we have pressure for wage increases but because so many sectors have low pay that leaves little extra disposable income, business owners cannot afford to raise prices without losing business in many service sectors. So how does one raise prices to pay for higher wages before the higher wages have taken effect and put additional money into consumer hands?

We have a spiral of slow but increasing cost of goods and services, little wage movement, and ever increasing cost of secondary needs like education, cars, and clothing. Hence why consumer debt is so darn high, this bubble cannot continue forever, it will give out eventually.
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