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Old 09-10-2019, 04:22 AM
 
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Practically everyone I meet who is visiting the U.S. from another country has the same complaint, and sometimes horror stories, about tipping. It's strange enough that prices listed in the U.S. almost never include sales tax, and even stranger when tipping is factored into the equation so that the total price is 20-35% higher than the listed price. Nowadays you are expected to tip for your taxi ride, your morning coffee, who knows what else. A couple I met from Australia the other day told me about how a bar kicked them out for tipping "only" $8 on a round of drinks that that bar said were supposed to warrant a $12 tip.
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Old 09-10-2019, 04:35 AM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna. (birthplace)
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Tipping should be outlawed -- period. Hire responsible employees who give superior service, without needless personalization, in return for a respectable wage; firmly and constantly exclude and penalize those who don't, and stop pandering to an over-indulged public who have been conditioned to expect far too much by Madison Avenue.

Those who expect more can go to a street corner and solicit a prostitute.

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Old 09-10-2019, 04:57 AM
 
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Tipping is great for both the consumer and hard working servers.

Tipping doesn't work out to well for crappy servers who feel entitled to tips.
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Old 09-10-2019, 05:03 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Tipping in the US gained traction after the Civil War. It was the way for business owners to pay $0.00 wage.

Experienced wait staff in Australia earn $20-222/ hour. The cost of labor is baked into the price of the meal.

Mass market cruise ships pay wait staff and cabin attendants about &1.00/ hr. The rest of compensation is in the form of tips. Over the past decade or so, a per day Hotel Service Charge has been imposed on bills because too many passengers, US and foreign, were not tipping. High end cruise lines trend all inclusive. Despite this, most passengers still tip.

US Hotels/ resorts increasing charge a mandatory per day resort fee, in the $25-50/ day. This include Trump properties.
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Old 09-10-2019, 05:04 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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I avoid tipping by avoiding restaurants.

Seriously, who wants to eat out these days, with the crappy food + crappy service, and then be expected to tip 20-25% on top of that?

Time to take the bull by the horns and "opt out" by cooking at home. I pray for the day when everyone else gets smart and boycotts restaurants en masse.
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Old 09-10-2019, 05:08 AM
 
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Tipping in the US gained traction after the Civil War. It was the way for business owners to pay $0.00 wage.

Experienced wait staff in Australia earn $20-222/ hour. The cost of labor is baked into the price of the meal.

Mass market cruise ships pay wait staff and cabin attendants about &1.00/ hr. The rest of compensation is in the form of tips. Over the past decade or so, a per day Hotel Service Charge has been imposed on bills because too many passengers, US and foreign, were not tipping. High end cruise lines trend all inclusive. Despite this, most passengers still tip.

US Hotels/ resorts increasing charge a mandatory per day resort fee, in the $25-50/ day. This include Trump properties.
Switch from tipping to regular pay, your bill goes up, you pay for services regardless if it good or horrible and overall service will decline in all but the high end restaurants.
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Old 09-10-2019, 05:15 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Switch from tipping to regular pay, your bill goes up, you pay for services regardless if it good or horrible and overall service will decline in all but the high end restaurants.
Thatís the part that many anti tippers seem to ignore. The cost of service is baked into the price of the meals, in countries where tipping is not customary.
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Old 09-10-2019, 05:22 AM
 
Location: Central NJ and PA
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Switch from tipping to regular pay, your bill goes up, you pay for services regardless if it good or horrible and overall service will decline in all but the high end restaurants.
I mostly agree with this. I wish more people would stiff rude/incompetent wait staff (or other workers) who don't perform well, though. I've had a huge argument with friends about leaving a tip for someone who was flat-out awful. She took ages to come take our order, even though the place was nearly empty. She got the order wrong, slapped it on the table, then never came back to check. I had to track her down to tell her I'd been given the wrong food. Then she had a huge attitude about it. They felt compelled to leave her something anyway.


I do alterations for a bridal shop. Tips happen, but they're rare - possibly because the price for alterations on wedding dresses is so high. My salary is okay but those tips are hugely appreciated. Many girls underestimate just how long it takes for me to get their dress to fit them perfectly. The few who ask are usually shocked.


I recently hemmed a dress and it took me 8.5 hours for the hem alone. I could have cut that time down to 2 hours if I'd just cut through the lace at the bottom, but I wanted to preserve the pattern. No tip. Now, I got paid for the time I spent hemming, but it came at a cost of setting my schedule back by an entire day, so now I'm working 12-ish hours a day/7 days a week to get back on schedule. It would have been nice to have had her recognize the hard work.


One of the best tips I ever got was from a young girl who gave me a card with $20 in it. Peanuts, but it was what she could afford, and that she'd bothered to go out and get a card was special.
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Old 09-10-2019, 05:26 AM
 
Location: Texas or Cascais, Portugal
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I do not object to tipping 20% for good service but, the servers certainly cannot count on it from all patrons. In Europe servers are paid a living wage thus tips are considerably less, if at all. Folks in the U.S. would likely be outraged to pay higher prices for dining out and other services to support a living wage. As far as tipping for coffee or at a counter where I’m not actually getting service, but simply placing an order, waiting for the order and walking away, I will never tip for that.
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Old 09-10-2019, 05:28 AM
 
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Practically everyone I meet who is visiting the U.S. from another country has the same complaint, and sometimes horror stories, about tipping. It's strange enough that prices listed in the U.S. almost never include sales tax, and even stranger when tipping is factored into the equation so that the total price is 20-35% higher than the listed price. Nowadays you are expected to tip for your taxi ride, your morning coffee, who knows what else. A couple I met from Australia the other day told me about how a bar kicked them out for tipping "only" $8 on a round of drinks that that bar said were supposed to warrant a $12 tip.


Bullcrap-


We tip minimum 30%- usually more. My wife tipped 50% last night after dinner.


These are working people who are busting their butts to make ends meet. Have some appreciation and sympathy.


Being in a service job like that would suck, as the employee has to be nice, even to jerks. Would you want their job? Try to be a little bright part of their day with a random act of kindness. It is infectious.
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