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Old 09-11-2019, 02:31 PM
 
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Originally Posted by MissTerri View Post
A private Waldorf School? Not surprised. They say that 7% are fully vaccinated. That doesn’t necessarily mean that the other 93% don’t have any vaccines. They could be just missing one and still be counted in that number.

What other schools?
If you want to spend your time inquiring on the full vaccination rate at every last school in California (including the percent of students who have medical exemptions waivers), please use the link below. You asked for one at 10%. I gave you one at 7%. The rest is up to you.

https://edsource.org/2019/vaccinatio...schools/614359

The school they show as a example, Sebastapol Independent Charter in Sonoma County, was interesting. 43.2% vaccination rate and 45.5% with medical waivers. Nothing remotely strange about more kids having a “medical” excuse than those vaccinated. /sarcasm

 
Old 09-11-2019, 02:35 PM
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No I don’t think the state should intervene in the doctor patient relationship. I think Dr. Sears is being used as a scapegoat and poster boy for this new law. I don’t know enough about his case to know if he really is guilty of what the media is stating. I would have to read a lot more about it in order to have an informed opinion.
Surely you jest. Dr. Sears' comeuppance was all over the news.
https://www.ocregister.com/2018/06/2...-vaccinations/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahae.../#3d0dc24b447a
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahae.../#4eeea4a4ef60
https://www.latimes.com/local/califo...629-story.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Sears_(physician)
https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skep...nse-probation/

That's just the first six I came upon with a Google search.

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Some people who have legit adverse reactions but you’ seem so sure that you know everything that you’re fine with that. Kids will be hurt by this law.
The CDC has a list of valid contraindications and precautions, which in many cases can be interpreted to be exemptions.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/aci...dications.html

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You missed my point completely. Most adults are not up to date on vaccines according to today’s childhood schedule. You’re not up to date. I’m not up to date, neither are the vast majority of adults who go out in public. Yet a child who’s just one dose short or declines one single vaccine is banned from school or has to jump through hoops to find a doctor who will believe them and allow them a medical exemption for a vaccine that caused them or a close family member harm.
Adults are not required to be UTD according to today's childhood schedule. A 9 month old is too old for rotavirus vaccine. Hib and Prevnar are not recommended past age 6. Hep A and Hep B are recommended for adults who want to protect themselves and also for people in special situations. HPV beyond age 26 is "between doctor and patient". Anyone born before 1980 (now 40+ years old) is presumed immune to chickenpox. The only vaccines adults need are a one time EVER dose of Tdap and a Td booster every 10 years, plus an annual flu shot.

Also show a cite for "(y)ou’re not up to date."


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Originally Posted by Jo48 View Post
They do not want to hear this. The vast majority of children ARE vaccinated. It is the ADULTS who aren't and threaten their 95% Herd Immunity but they are going to have a far much difficult time mandating adult vaccinations.

I had a run in with a couple of medical professionals on here when my grandson was born and I went into the NICU to see him, NO questions asked. Grandma, are you up to date on all your vaccines???? My last vaccination was in 1952 for DPT. They were INFURIATED that I was allowed into a NICU without a current Tdap or Flu shot showing my vaccination records. Maybe Shingles shot required as well? How about Peneumonia vaccination? BTW, all visitors except Parents and Grandparents were banned from going into the NICU. Is Mommy and Daddy with a baby in NICU fully up to date on vaccinations as well? I can tell you my daughters of their Newborn WEREN'T. Did we have to wear masks, put on gown, gloves, booties in NICU? No. Just no CELL PHONES allowed. lol

They cannot see the forest (ENTIRE population) for the trees (children). Cite me case law when was the last time an adult was thrown in jail under Jacobson v. Ma. for refusing to vaccinate THEMSELVES.

I do not trust them. Next will be home school children, and then on to adults if they proceed on this path. Bullies.

Edit. Take away Religious Exemptions to Vaccinates? All an Adult needs is flat out NO, I do not give my consent, don't touch me.
Cite one example of a kid (or their parent) "thrown in jail" for failure to vaccinate.

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Originally Posted by MissTerri View Post
Guidelines are not the same things as laws. No laws were broken when doctors wrote medical exemptions for their patients.

.05% is a tiny number no matter how you try to spin it. It is not significant.
I suggest this book for you: https://www.amazon.com/Clinical-Bios...23732414&psc=1 It's a HUGE increase, and yes it is significant.

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Do you know how many medical waivers there were in California prior to the elimination of personal and religious exemptions and how many there were after. That would be helpful.
If you are interested, you can do a search. No one has posted a claim about this, so no one needs to look it up for you.
 
Old 09-11-2019, 02:39 PM
 
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If you want to spend your time inquiring on the full vaccination rate at every last school in California (including the percent of students who have medical exemptions waivers), please use the link below. You asked for one at 10%. I gave you one at 7%. The rest is up to you.

https://edsource.org/2019/vaccinatio...schools/614359
You stated schools plural when stating that some are at 10% so I assumed you knew of at least more then one so was asking you for that info that you asserted. I guess it’s just that one school then.
 
Old 09-11-2019, 02:41 PM
 
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You stated schools plural when stating that some are at 10% so I assumed you knew of at least more then one so was asking you for that info that you asserted. I guess it’s just that one school then.
No clue, but 1 is too many if it’s your kid stuck going to school there.

I wouldn’t even want my kid in the other school I mentioned. A 43.2% vaccination rate is no cause for celebration and for some a huge cause of concern. And over 45% of kindergartners have a legitimate medical reason for having a waiver? No way.
 
Old 09-11-2019, 02:42 PM
 
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No clue. Do your own research. I gave you a great tool in my last post to assist.
I already did look into it and didn’t find any that low besides the one you posted about. So it is just the one. You said, “schools” so I assumed there was more and assumed that you knew which ones.
 
Old 09-11-2019, 02:50 PM
 
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I already did look into it and didn’t find any that low besides the one you posted about. So it is just the one. You said, “schools” so I assumed there was more and assumed that you knew which ones.
On that site, you have to search school by school and you’re telling me you queried every single school in California since your last post 3 minutes ago?

Sure you did. LOL.
 
Old 09-11-2019, 02:57 PM
 
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On that site, you have to search school by school and you’re telling me you queried every single school in California since your last post 3 minutes ago?

Sure you did. LOL.

Nope. But in reading articles about schools with the lowest rates, the one you mentioned is the only one that came up as being that low. I have no interest or reason to search CA schools one by one.

Again, YOU asserted that there were schools with vaccination rates of 10%. You either back it up or not. I’m assuming your assertion was false. If you want to prove me wrong then search for yourself and prove it. Otherwise, you may want to drop it.
 
Old 09-11-2019, 03:13 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Katarina Witt View Post
Surely you jest. Dr. Sears' comeuppance was all over the news.
https://www.ocregister.com/2018/06/2...-vaccinations/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahae.../#3d0dc24b447a
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahae.../#4eeea4a4ef60
https://www.latimes.com/local/califo...629-story.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Sears_(physician)
https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skep...nse-probation/

That's just the first six I came upon with a Google search.



The CDC has a list of valid contraindications and precautions, which in many cases can be interpreted to be exemptions.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/aci...dications.html



Adults are not required to be UTD according to today's childhood schedule. A 9 month old is too old for rotavirus vaccine. Hib and Prevnar are not recommended past age 6. Hep A and Hep B are recommended for adults who want to protect themselves and also for people in special situations. HPV beyond age 26 is "between doctor and patient". Anyone born before 1980 (now 40+ years old) is presumed immune to chickenpox. The only vaccines adults need are a one time EVER dose of Tdap and a Td booster every 10 years, plus an annual flu shot.

Also show a cite for "(y)ou’re not up to date."




Cite one example of a kid (or their parent) "thrown in jail" for failure to vaccinate.



I suggest this book for you: https://www.amazon.com/Clinical-Bios...23732414&psc=1 It's a HUGE increase, and yes it is significant.



If you are interested, you can do a search. No one has posted a claim about this, so no one needs to look it up for you.
Don't quote me the parent of a child thrown in jail. Cite me ONE ADULT thrown in jail under Jacobson for refusing to vaccinate their Adult self and they themselves. You CANNOT. Even those Nurses refusing their flu shots weren't thrown in jail.

We had an official Flu Pandemic in 2009. Cite me how many people were jailed or quaranteened then????
 
Old 09-11-2019, 03:16 PM
 
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Again, YOU asserted that there were schools with vaccination rates of 10%. You either back it up or not. I’m assuming your assertion was false. If you want to prove me wrong then search for yourself and prove it. Otherwise, you may want to drop it.
He did. He gave you an example of a school with <10%. Unless you pedantically want proof of a school with exactly 10% which would be completely asinine.

Oh I see now, from the bold tags around the plural "s", instead you pedantically want him to provide you a with a second example.
Not like it will have any impact on your position so why? Just to waste his time right?
 
Old 09-11-2019, 03:28 PM
 
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He did. He gave you an example of a school with <10%. Unless you pedantically want proof of a school with exactly 10% which would be completely asinine.

Oh I see now, from the bold tags around the plural "s", instead you pedantically want him to provide you a with a second example.
Not like it will have any impact on your position so why? Just to waste his time right?
This really should not this difficult to understand. She asserted that there were schools, plural with that low of vaccination rates. This makes it sounds like this may be a widespread problem. The truth it is was just one which is an anomaly. A private Waldorf school. If there were quite a few that low, it changes the big picture. Got it? Moving on....
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