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Old 09-10-2019, 09:59 AM
 
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Yep.

Before this recent legislation, health authorities in California had more power to insist that a dog be vaccinated against rabies than to ensure that a child enrolled in school is vaccinated against measles.

Below is a 2018 LA Times article highlighting the frustrations and concerns of health officials related to the proliferation of fraudulent medical exemptions, and by whom, when California did away with the personal and religious exemptions. A multi year study was conducted and the findings were published in the journal Pediatrics in late 2018.

https://www.latimes.com/science/scie...029-story.html

The article states that vaccination rates went up to 95% from 90% once California eliminated personal and religious exemptions which is above the 94% needed to have “herd immunity” and that medical exemptions increased from .02% to .07%. People really see that as a a valid reason to go after Medical Exemptions? Seriously?

 
Old 09-10-2019, 10:07 AM
 
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California already had the strictest laws in the country in regards to vaccines for school aged children. Medical Exemptions were the only type of exemption allowed, something that kids could only get after an adverse reaction to a vaccine and something that they could only get from their doctor. The state decided that doctors were giving these medical exemptions too freely so changed the law to limit the number of medical exemptions a doctor can give out in a year to four. If a doctor gives out five they will be investigated by the State. This erodes the doctor patient relationship as well as makes doctors fear giving out valid exemptions due to the threat of being investigated by the State. No matter how you feel about vaccines, some people really should not take them due to valid medical reasons and this legislation stands to hurt this group of kids with this over reaching legislation.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics...s-14426441.php
Why don't they just require a specific medical reason, perhaps from an approved list.

Because I'm pretty sure the average physician sees more than 4 kids with compromised immune systems per year.
 
Old 09-10-2019, 10:12 AM
 
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But how do they decided that a medical exemption is bogus? And how would they know better then a patient’s own doctor? Let’s say you’re prescribed a medication for high blood pressure. You have a seizure after taking it. Your doctor says that you should not be taking it anymore. The state intervenes and says that the doctor is wrong and that you need to take it, in order to keep health care costs down. What then?

Kids who have had seizures post vaccination won’t be exempted so the example is valid.

Think about what will happen when outbreaks continue in California. Will adults embrace legislation that says, “get your flu shot or lose the privilege of having a job or getting one’s drivers license”?
There are plenty of unscrupulous doctors out there. Larry Nassar said he was doing necessary pelvic exams. He's the doctor and he knows best, right?
 
Old 09-10-2019, 10:17 AM
 
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Are these exemptions actually tracked as they occur?

It seems onerous to track every single medical exemption. A doc could write six exemptions for six different schools. How would that be discovered?
 
Old 09-10-2019, 10:25 AM
 
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Why don't they just require a specific medical reason, perhaps from an approved list.

Because I'm pretty sure the average physician sees more than 4 kids with compromised immune systems per year.
That’s pretty much what CA is doing. This is the list.


– Anaphylaxis to vaccine component
– Permanent immune suppressed condition (SCIDS) – Live vaccines only:
MMR, VZV, FluMist, Yellow Fever, Oral Typhoid  Temporary
– Temporarily immunosuppressed (e.g., during cancer chemotherapy) – Live vaccines only
 
Old 09-10-2019, 10:27 AM
 
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Are these exemptions actually tracked as they occur?

It seems onerous to track every single medical exemption. A doc could write six exemptions for six different schools. How would that be discovered?

Yes, they are tracked. From the Bill that passed.

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120372. (a) (1) By January 1, 2021, the department shall develop and make available for use by licensed physicians and surgeons an electronic, standardized, statewide medical exemption certification form that shall be transmitted directly to the department’s California Immunization Registry (CAIR) established pursuant to Section 120440. Pursuant to Section 120375, the form shall be printed, signed, and submitted directly to the school or institution at which the child will attend, submitted directly to the governing authority of the school or institution, or submitted to that governing authority through the CAIR where applicable. Notwithstanding Section 120370, commencing January 1, 2021, the standardized form shall be the only documentation of a medical exemption that the governing authority may accept, except as provided in paragraph (2) of subdivision (c).
(2) At a minimum, the form shall require all of the following information:
(A) The name, California medical license number, business address, and telephone number of the physician and surgeon who issued the medical exemption, and of the primary care physician of the child, if different from the physician and surgeon who issued the medical exemption.
(B) The name of the child for whom the exemption is sought, the name and address of the child’s parent or guardian, and the name and address of the child’s school or other institution.
(C) A statement certifying that the physician and surgeon has conducted a physical examination and evaluation of the child consistent with the relevant standard of care and complied with all applicable requirements of this section.
(D) Whether the physician and surgeon who issued the medical exemption is the child’s primary care physician. If the issuing physician and surgeon is not the child’s primary care physician, the issuing physician and surgeon shall also provide an explanation as to why the issuing physician and not the primary care physician is filling out the medical exemption form.
(E) How long the physician and surgeon has been treating the child.
(F) A description of the medical basis for which the exemption for each individual immunization is sought. Each specific immunization shall be listed separately and space on the form shall be provided to allow for the inclusion of descriptive information for each immunization for which the exemption is sought.
(G) Whether the medical exemption is permanent or temporary, including the date upon which a temporary medical exemption will expire. A temporary exemption shall not exceed one year.
(H) An authorization for the department to contact the issuing physician and surgeon for purposes of this section and for the release of records related to the medical exemption to the department, the Medical Board of California, and the Osteopathic Medical Board of California.
(I) A certification by the issuing physician and surgeon, under penalty of perjury, that the statements and information contained in the form are true, accurate, and complete.

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Old 09-10-2019, 10:29 AM
 
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California already had the strictest laws in the country in regards to vaccines for school aged children. Medical Exemptions were the only type of exemption allowed, something that kids could only get after an adverse reaction to a vaccine and something that they could only get from their doctor. The state decided that doctors were giving these medical exemptions too freely so changed the law to limit the number of medical exemptions a doctor can give out in a year to four. If a doctor gives out five they will be investigated by the State. This erodes the doctor patient relationship as well as makes doctors fear giving out valid exemptions due to the threat of being investigated by the State. No matter how you feel about vaccines, some people really should not take them due to valid medical reasons and this legislation stands to hurt this group of kids with this over reaching legislation.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics...s-14426441.php
Are they checking to make sure everyone with high blood pressure is force fed their pills?

Checking to make sure those with diabetes are stabbed with their insulin shots on a regular basis?

How do people NOT see this as an erosion to freedom?

What will YOU do when your doctor says there is only one way, and it's the governments. I WILL give you this drug and you WILL take it.

What then?
 
Old 09-10-2019, 10:31 AM
 
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That’s pretty much what CA is doing. This is the list.


– Anaphylaxis to vaccine component
– Permanent immune suppressed condition (SCIDS) – Live vaccines only:
MMR, VZV, FluMist, Yellow Fever, Oral Typhoid  Temporary
– Temporarily immunosuppressed (e.g., during cancer chemotherapy) – Live vaccines only
And my friend's child would have been at risk for hospitalization since her reason for not getting the child ONE VACCINE was that my friend had a horrible reaction to it and almost died. She didn't want to risk it.

I guess its more important to kill a kid than to let the parent make the medical decisions.
 
Old 09-10-2019, 10:32 AM
 
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There are plenty of unscrupulous doctors out there. Larry Nassar said he was doing necessary pelvic exams. He's the doctor and he knows best, right?
I don’t know about plenty but yes, there are a few unscrupulous doctors. So are you saying that because one doctor was a molester you favor doing away with all California doctors’ ability to decide if their patients qualify for a medical exemptions or not and instead hand that power over the state due to the number of people trying to get one going up to .07% from .02%?
 
Old 09-10-2019, 10:32 AM
 
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The article states that vaccination rates went up to 95% from 90% once California eliminated personal and religious exemptions which is above the 94% needed to have “herd immunity” and that medical exemptions increased from .02% to .07%. People really see that as a a valid reason to go after Medical Exemptions? Seriously?
It's all about control.

I wouldn't live in CA if you gave me a million dollars.
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