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Old 09-10-2019, 01:13 PM
 
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Looks like 7-8 vs 14 for my age group to today. Actually probably less for me though due to having Hep A and B and the fact that some of the vaccines effect children more so than adults. IMO not a valid argument against vaccinating children.
Today’s schedule is 74 doses.

 
Old 09-10-2019, 01:14 PM
 
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California already had the strictest laws in the country in regards to vaccines for school aged children. Medical Exemptions were the only type of exemption allowed, something that kids could only get after an adverse reaction to a vaccine and something that they could only get from their doctor. The state decided that doctors were giving these medical exemptions too freely so changed the law to limit the number of medical exemptions a doctor can give out in a year to four. If a doctor gives out five they will be investigated by the State. This erodes the doctor patient relationship as well as makes doctors fear giving out valid exemptions due to the threat of being investigated by the State. No matter how you feel about vaccines, some people really should not take them due to valid medical reasons and this legislation stands to hurt this group of kids with this over reaching legislation.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics...s-14426441.php
Great News. Vaccinate.
 
Old 09-10-2019, 01:16 PM
 
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This will penalize specialists who tend to have the most patients that are adversely affected by vaccines.
Every medical treatment, with very few exceptions, have "side-effects". For example, chemo makes you feel ill, causes your hair to fall out, but saves you from cancer. Nothing is perfect (except capitalism).
 
Old 09-10-2019, 01:20 PM
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Any mainstream articles on the issue will be one sided. It’s just the way it is.

The law will not protect those who have valid reason for getting medical exemptions who will no longer be allowed to do so due to interference in the doctor patient relationship. Children who have had seizures post vaccine, for example will not be allowed exemptions. Parents who had a child die post vaccination will not be allowed exemptions for subsequent children. Exemptions will be limited to a very narrow list and not a doctor’s discretion. Keep in mind that medicine is both art and science, we are not all perfect clones of one another and what does not cause harm to most can cause harm to a minority.

Deciding that individual healthcare decisions should be made by the state and not by one’s doctor is very concerning no matter where you stand.
This is untrue.
"DTaP and Tdap are contraindicated for children who have a history of encephalopathy not attributed to an identifiable cause within 7 days following DTP/DTaP. An unstable progressive neurologic problem is a precaution to the use of DTaP and Tdap. Children with stable neurologic disorders (including seizures) unrelated to vaccination may be vaccinated as usual.

A history of Guillain-Barré syndrome is a precaution for tetanus-containing and influenza vaccines.

Patients with a personal or family history of febrile or afebrile seizures have a precaution for MMRV vaccine. Simultaneous MMR and varicella vaccine administration (the single component vaccines) is not associated with an increased risk of fever or seizures and is therefore the acceptable alternative to MMRV."

Government website.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/genrec.html
 
Old 09-10-2019, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Why not just go after adults? There are far more adults that are not fully vaccinated according to today’s childhood schedule then there are children. Why not a proposal to catch every adult up to the vaccines that children are required to have today as well as annual flu shots. No shots, no job for you.

Look at the vaccines that were required when you were a kid vs the modern schedule and you can see what vaccines you need to get in order to get caught up. No need to wait for legislation, you can go and request to get this done so that you can be 100% consistent in your message. I’m not singling you out either. Any adult who believes in this legislation can and should do this as soon as possible.
Adults are already advised to keep their vaccinations up to date. Who says they are not? Note that some childhood vaccines are not indicated for adults.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedul...imz/adult.html

I have asked before and have never gotten a reply. Why is it a Bad Thing that we can prevent more serious childhood illnesses than we could sixty years ago?

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They are being investigated if they give out five exemptions in one year. Not being investigated for giving out bogus exemptions. Just for giving out more then four. This will surely make many doctors stop giving out exemptions period over fear of being investigated, even if the exemption was valid. Some doctors have already stated this. And really, who’s in a better position to judge what is a valid exemption or not? One’s doctor or the state legislators?
The number of exemptions is just a red flag that will trigger an audit, much like the number of opiate prescriptions a doctor writes will be.

The audit will determine whether there is evidence that exemptions are not being given for valid indications.

State legislators do not determine what a valid exemption is. That is based on individual medical conditions backed by scientific evidence.

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Today’s schedule is 74 doses.
And?

Why is being able to prevent more severe childhood illnesses a Bad Thing?
 
Old 09-10-2019, 01:24 PM
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Today’s schedule is 74 doses.
This includes the two prenatal vaccines, and a flu vaccine every year through age 18.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedul...dolescent.html
 
Old 09-10-2019, 01:31 PM
 
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But how do they decided that a medical exemption is bogus? And how would they know better then a patient’s own doctor? Let’s say you’re prescribed a medication for high blood pressure. You have a seizure after taking it. Your doctor says that you should not be taking it anymore. The state intervenes and says that the doctor is wrong and that you need to take it, in order to keep health care costs down. What then?

Kids who have had seizures post vaccination won’t be exempted so the example is valid.

Think about what will happen when outbreaks continue in California. Will adults embrace legislation that says, “get your flu shot or lose the privilege of having a job or getting one’s drivers license”?
I agree with you there. Very slippery slope. Today public, private school children. Next find a way to legislate mandatory vaccination for home school children. After all, no unvaccinated home schooled child will ever leave the confines of their own home, or grow up to be an unvaccinated adult? Just wait, adults will be targeted if this continues.

I read there was a teenager from New Zealand with Measles who went to Disney and a number of other places. No problem after all California kids must now be vaccinated, and only they will go to Disney lol

BTW, Katarina, what legislation is there to force a pregnant, adult woman to be vaccinated?

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Old 09-10-2019, 01:42 PM
 
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This includes the two prenatal vaccines, and a flu vaccine every year through age 18.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedul...dolescent.html
So if you vaccinate every child under the age of 18, that will give you your Herd Immunity for the flu, or anything else? lol What adult, not in a health care profession, needs a Religious Exemption for refuse the Flu vaccination or anything else?

You can bully/legislate the parents of young children, but cannot for the rest of the adult population. I feel very sorry for these parents of young children, but as an elderly adults, take your vaccinations and put them you know where for we adults.
 
Old 09-10-2019, 01:50 PM
 
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... as an elderly adults, take your vaccinations and put them you know where for we adults.

You speak for all "elderly adults"?

I think not. Certainly not for me.
 
Old 09-10-2019, 01:56 PM
 
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So if you vaccinate every child under the age of 18, that will give you your Herd Immunity for the flu, or anything else? lol What adult, not in a health care profession, needs a Religious Exemption for refuse the Flu vaccination or anything else?

You can bully/legislate the parents of young children, but cannot for the rest of the adult population. I feel very sorry for these parents of young children, but as an elderly adults, take your vaccinations and put them you know where for we adults.
I’m not super elderly (59) and I stay up to date on vaccinations because I care about my health and even more so the health of those who cannot be or are not yet vaccinated. In the last 4 months I’ve had TDaP, MMR and a flu shot. So has my husband.

Don’t presume your opinion is one supported by all of us “elderly” folks.
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