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Old 09-17-2019, 05:42 PM
 
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Looks like the Bibi-pledge was a fail. Current election exit polls have the religious right (including the Likud) at 53 seats and the center-left and Arab bloc (including the Blue & White) at 59. Yisreal Beiteinu came in at 8 seats. Last May it refused to work with Netanyahu. 61-seat majority required to form a ruling coalition. https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-...ntl/index.html

Arab voters came out in strength gaining seats Haaretz.
The Times of Israel as of 20 minutes ago has the center right bloc (without Liberman's party) having 55 seats (and Likud is tied with Blue and White with 32 expected seats), while center left parties (and the Arab List) have an expected 56 seats: https://www.timesofisrael.com/electi...ember-17-2019/

Liberman's party is expected to have 9 seats.

Netanyahu still remains the favorite to form the next coalition government and remain as PM.

Why do I say this?

The Arab List has historically refused to join any government. And though they have stated that they'd be open to joining with a government this time around under the right circumstances, Blue and White has ruled out working with the Arab List to form a government. So, the center left should be considered to have 43 working seats (subtracting the estimated 13 seats won by the Arab List). Even if Liberman wanted to team up with Blue and White, the numbers wouldn't work.

Liberman's party is calling for a grand coalition government to include Blue and White, Likud, and Yisrael Beiteinu, but we'll see what happens. All in all, Likud and the center right parties are stronger than the center left parties coming out of this election, though Liberman remains kingmaker.
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Old 09-17-2019, 06:20 PM
 
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The Times of Israel as of 20 minutes ago has the center right bloc (without Liberman's party) having 55 seats (and Likud is tied with Blue and White with 32 expected seats), while center left parties (and the Arab List) have an expected 56 seats: https://www.timesofisrael.com/electi...ember-17-2019/

Liberman's party is expected to have 9 seats.

Netanyahu still remains the favorite to form the next coalition government and remain as PM.

Why do I say this?

The Arab List has historically refused to join any government. And though they have stated that they'd be open to joining with a government this time around under the right circumstances, Blue and White has ruled out working with the Arab List to form a government. So, the center left should be considered to have 43 working seats (subtracting the estimated 13 seats won by the Arab List). Even if Liberman wanted to team up with Blue and White, the numbers wouldn't work.

Liberman's party is calling for a grand coalition government to include Blue and White, Likud, and Yisrael Beiteinu, but we'll see what happens.
Liberman's made this proposal before. Netanyahu refused. Discord between them.

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All in all, Likud and the center right parties are stronger than the center left parties coming out of this election, though Liberman remains kingmaker.
Don't know the split from last April. Close there, too. But the Likud and religious right may well have weakened? (Interesting that you refer to them as "center right." Not sure the word "center" applies here.)

In addition to Netanyahu coming out with the W. Bank annexation proposal (with support from the Administration) didn't we also have Trump tweeting last week about a joint Israeli-US defense pact? Uncertain that would be a sweetener to many Israelis, but instead best received by the religious right in the United States.
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Old 09-18-2019, 07:14 AM
 
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Looks like the criminal Netanyahu could be out.

Hopefully we are able to kick out our criminal maniac next year.
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Old 09-18-2019, 09:57 AM
 
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Looks like the criminal Netanyahu could be out.

Hopefully we are able to kick out our criminal maniac next year.
Even if so, damage done...
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Old 09-18-2019, 10:15 AM
 
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No I'm not and if you believe this started in 1948 then you have little understanding of human history.
So true. Wasn't there some horrible massacre of Jews by Muslims in the 1920s? Liberals tend to blame the ME conflict on the formation of Israel (when the Muslims refused the two-state option, since they were opposed to the existence of Israel entirely), but their anti-Jew teachings go back hundreds of years.
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Old 09-18-2019, 11:03 AM
 
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So true. Wasn't there some horrible massacre of Jews by Muslims in the 1920s? Liberals tend to blame the ME conflict on the formation of Israel (when the Muslims refused the two-state option, since they were opposed to the existence of Israel entirely), but their anti-Jew teachings go back hundreds of years.
To be fair, if possible, I think most people liberal and conservative who take issue with much going on in the region today fully understand the long sad history that we can take back to Biblical accounts, but just like the United States has a long sad history of slavery in this country, there comes a point when the wrong-doing must come to a stop, can be allowed to come to an end. There are a million plus points throughout this history where the blame can be placed, all depending on one's bias and knowledge of this history, but what matters most is that the problem(s) stop.

Netanyahu has demonstrated no serious leadership in this regard. In fact much the opposite and at least in part this is why confidence in him as PM, since 2009 already, has badly eroded.
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Old 09-18-2019, 12:57 PM
 
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To be fair, if possible, I think most people liberal and conservative who take issue with much going on in the region today fully understand the long sad history that we can take back to Biblical accounts, but just like the United States has a long sad history of slavery in this country, there comes a point when the wrong-doing must come to a stop, can be allowed to come to an end. There are a million plus points throughout this history where the blame can be placed, all depending on one's bias and knowledge of this history, but what matters most is that the problem(s) stop.

Netanyahu has demonstrated no serious leadership in this regard. In fact much the opposite and at least in part this is why confidence in him as PM, since 2009 already, has badly eroded.
Agree. This rehashing of history to bring up isolated points that support Team A or alternatively Team B is both counter-productive and a red herring. That's not to say the recent past isn't relevant. An ongoing security threat remains for Israel. That Israel was attacked in 1948 and again in 1967 counts when understanding why they have military control of the West Bank.

History is also relevant if it contains lessons. For example, more than one Israeli leader when looking back has inferred that not immediately returning the W. Bank and/or the initial settlements will lead Israel to actions that should not happen.

Still, it's the future that can be shaped with current political proposals - like annexation - the most relevant. Speaking purely from an Israeli point-of-view, is that wise, or not? Who benefits from annexation proposals? Many Israelis ask themselves these questions.
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Old 09-18-2019, 12:57 PM
 
Location: SoCal & Mid-TN
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To be fair, if possible, I think most people liberal and conservative who take issue with much going on in the region today fully understand the long sad history that we can take back to Biblical accounts, but just like the United States has a long sad history of slavery in this country, there comes a point when the wrong-doing must come to a stop, can be allowed to come to an end. There are a million plus points throughout this history where the blame can be placed, all depending on one's bias and knowledge of this history, but what matters most is that the problem(s) stop.

Netanyahu has demonstrated no serious leadership in this regard. In fact much the opposite and at least in part this is why confidence in him as PM, since 2009 already, has badly eroded.
Well said. Zionism is just a war waiting to happen. Not interested in what could end up a world conflict because "god" told these people this was their land.
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Old 09-18-2019, 02:05 PM
 
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Disappointing results for Israel’s leader

The country’s election remained too close to call today, a setback for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who was seeking enough support to form a majority coalition government.

Mr. Netanyahu’s Likud party appeared to have come in second behind the Blue and White party of the former army chief Benny Gantz. Israeli exit polls have often proved unreliable, but if projections hold, Mr. Gantz would be given the first chance to form a government.

The voting comes five months after an inconclusive ballot and threatens the political future of Mr. Netanyahu, Israel’s longest-serving prime minister.

What’s next: In a few days, President Reuven Rivlin will give the mandate to form a government to the candidate with the best chance of forming a viable coalition.
Source: NYT, Morning Briefing
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Old 09-18-2019, 02:11 PM
 
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Time for Bibi to go bye-bye? I hope so. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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