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Old Yesterday, 06:35 PM
 
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So people walking through the desert are more detrimental that a huge wall that completely blocks and divides wildlife?
They aren't just walking through the desert. They are leaving behind bottles, diapers, filthy clothing, etc. which is an endangerment to wildlife. Have you not seen the pictures of what they are leaving behind? How does a wall block wildlife when there are huge countries behind the walls filled with wildlife? Besides, do you value wildlife over the safety and security of humans?
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Old Yesterday, 06:38 PM
 
Location: AZ
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They aren't just walking through the desert. They are leaving behind bottles, diapers, filthy clothing, etc. which is an endangerment to wildlife. Have you not seen the pictures of what they are leaving behind? How does a wall block wildlife when there are huge countries behind the walls filled with wildlife? Besides, do you value wildlife over the safety and security of humans?
Lol.

I was going to say there’s no way that you’re actually concerned about littering or the environment, but you went ahead and contradicted yourself two sentences later.

Has Mexico payed for the wall yet? That $5-10 billion Trump promised from Mexico should cover a few thousand feet, out of two miles.

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Old Yesterday, 06:44 PM
 
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Exactly.

We knew it was a waste of money in 2017, and in 2018 during the Republican 115th congress and now in 2019. There is therefore bi-partisan multiyear agreement on record that it is a waste of taxpayer dollars. What is driving this issue now is nothing more than Trump's embarrassment in having failed to get either political party to approve of his waste of money.

Oddly Trump's original broken promise was that the American taxpayers would not have to pay for it. He is now in the embarrassing situation of having to admit that he failed in getting Mexico to pay for the wall, or otherwise to admit that he was lying all along.
Once again, how was the wall a waste of money when the Democrats helped pass that Secure Fence Act back in 2006 with both Obama and Schumer's signature on it? How is it a waste when I have posted several links proving that the good walls are a very effective deterrant? You also know more than the Border Patrol and Homeland Security that say they are needed?

Don't you and yours get tired of repeating yourself after all these years? Trump never said that Mexico would write a check for it. Besides, you'd rather see that over $100 billion a year that illegals cost us to continue to rise opposed to a $25 billion wall? Did you fail at math in school? What price do you want to put on our national security? Why weren't you upset when the Secure Fence Act passed and it was soley to be the taxpayer to fund it? Hypocricy rules with you people.
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Old Yesterday, 06:46 PM
 
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Again - we don't know want Presidents to be able to manipulate funds from accounts to serve their personal mandate.

That's not what the Founding Fathers wanted.

Trump had two years with Republican controlled house and senate. If he could not get his mandate implemented then...he should not be able to manipulate funds to do so now.

Trump is running the govt. like he runs his personal, private company, where he answers to nobody but himself. That's not what the federal government is.

It is wrong.
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Old Yesterday, 06:51 PM
 
Location: AZ
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Once again, how was the wall a waste of money when the Democrats helped pass that Secure Fence Act back in 2006 with both Obama and Schumer's signature on it? How is it a waste when I have posted several links proving that the good walls are a very effective deterrant? You also know more than the Border Patrol and Homeland Security that say they are needed?

Don't you and yours get tired of repeating yourself after all these years? Trump never said that Mexico would write a check for it. Besides, you'd rather see that over $100 billion a year that illegals cost us to continue to rise opposed to a $25 billion wall? Did you fail at math in school? What price do you want to put on our national security? Why weren't you upset when the Secure Fence Act passed and it was soley to be the taxpayer to fund it? Hypocricy rules with you people.
Wrong.

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"It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year," the memo said.
-April 2016.

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"I would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me, and I’ll build them very inexpensively, I will build a great, great wall on our southern border. And I will have Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words."
-Trump presidential announcement speech, June 16, 2015

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"And, you know, we're building a wall. And it's going to be a great wall. OK? And, by the way, Mexico will pay for it
- CBS Face the Nation, Aug. 23, 2015
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Old Yesterday, 06:53 PM
 
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Go ahead, report me. You are the one making outrageous claims.

Once again you need a civics lesson (as any one can see). The Pentagon can not 'award' those funds. The funds literally do not belong to the Pentagon, they belong to the American people.

The Pentagon is a creature of the congress, not the other way around. Only the House of Representatives can raise funds and spend them. That is in the constitution.

The Pentagon requests funds for specific purposes, not from the president, but from the congress. The congress analyses the requests, and determines the worthiness of the projects. They raise the funds and allocate the funds to the specific government agency which will be tasked with the project.

In other words, the government agency (any agency) is delegated to it's task. Sometimes the congress needs to create an agency for the purpose (The US Post Office Department was created by Congress in 1792, the Bureau of Internal Revenue was created by Congress in 1862, the Department of Justice was created by Congress in 1870). The Congress, and only the Congress, raises the funds and delegates the tasks to various departments and agencies it sets up for the purpose.

For that reason the Congress has oversight over how the money is spent. That is not only the law, it is the very basis of how our government works.

To emphasize: those funds are not the Pentagon's to give willy-nilly to anything they want. They must be spent in the way they are directed by the congress.

This is in the constitution. It is like this for a reason.

Remember the old clarion call: "no taxation without representation." This country was lead to independence by the Continental Congress, which hired George Washington to lead it's army and raised the funds to support it.

The House of Representatives is the direct descendant of the Continental Congress, and it is described in Article One of the Constitution. It is the representative body which has the exclusive right to raise funds and spend them. The Executive Branch does not have that right, it does what it is delegated to do, it manages the tasks given it by the Congress.

Even the emergency powers a president is allowed to exercise are delegated to the president by the congress, and can be changed by the congress. If the president abuses these powers he can be called to account for it, even up to impeachment, which BTW also originates in the House of Representatives.
FYI, I only report people who make personal attacks and that's what you did! Is it really necessary to do that ? What's wrong with civil debate that attacks the message not the messenger? Here's a few links for you.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/b...s-for-diverted

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/09/polit...all/index.html

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/05...n-arizona.html
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Old Yesterday, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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It is setting up for a drama-filled and potentially long government shutdown showdown.

Federal government workers better get ready......
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Old Yesterday, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Little Rock, AR
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Democrats canít hide the fact that the wall is being built anymore, they also know itís going to help Trumpís re-election chances. Not sure what they can do about it at this point after the Supreme Court ruled in favor.
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Old Yesterday, 07:06 PM
 
Location: AZ
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Democrats canít hide the fact that the wall is being built anymore, they also know itís going to help Trumpís re-election chances. Not sure what they can do about it at this point after the Supreme Court ruled in favor.
Why donít you link us to an article where Democrats are ďhide[ing] the fact that the wall is being builtĒ?

Oh right, you canít, because itís fictional nonsense.
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Old Yesterday, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Little Rock, AR
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Why donít you link us to an article where Democrats are ďhide[ing] the fact that the wall is being builtĒ?

Oh right, you canít, because itís fictional nonsense.
Where have you been? Articles like this have been posted nearly daily. They are very deceiving by the media because they know the wall is being built, but they phrase it in a way that it isnít. Now they canít hide it from the public anymore

https://amp.axios.com/trump-border-w...df9e27405.html
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